Andy Onchan Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, hissingsid said: Whatever the outcome of this is the awesome amount of money it is costing is a scandal in itself just when the Health Service is on its uppers cash wise. Could not someone with just a fraction of diplomacy have sorted this out in a civilised fashion . Sometimes compromise is preferable to friction and a settlement may have saved many thousands of pounds which we cannot afford. But what about the Manx 'skeet' element? It's the Manx way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERED Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 2 hours ago, cissolt said: Ashies lies are catching up with him. This QC chap seems very good, maybe we could ask him to do an actual independent inquiry Ashie would surely issue a "point by point rebuttal" 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, hissingsid said: Whatever the outcome of this is the awesome amount of money it is costing is a scandal in itself just when the Health Service is on its uppers cash wise. Could not someone with just a fraction of diplomacy have sorted this out in a civilised fashion . Sometimes compromise is preferable to friction and a settlement may have saved many thousands of pounds which we cannot afford. Well DHSC are disputing Ranson claims at great expense to us, with various people on DHSC side not producing evidence until very late perhaps the Government lawyers weren’t aware of all the issues and thought they had a good case 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 52 minutes ago, Banker said: Well DHSC are disputing Ranson claims at great expense to us, with various people on DHSC side not producing evidence until very late perhaps the Government lawyers weren’t aware of all the issues and thought they had a good case Shame someone from Manx Forums were not at the tribunal to report back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 2 hours ago, hissingsid said: Whatever the outcome of this is the awesome amount of money it is costing is a scandal in itself just when the Health Service is on its uppers cash wise. Could not someone with just a fraction of diplomacy have sorted this out in a civilised fashion . Sometimes compromise is preferable to friction and a settlement may have saved many thousands of pounds which we cannot afford. Maybe medical Director didn’t want a settlement and just wanted the incompetence exposed publicly, in which case she could be doing public a great service. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wake Up Call Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Need a 'point by point rebuttal' to get the an understanding of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 The MR report on Dr Glover's evidence is interesting. Can't copy it for some reason. Read it to the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 46 minutes ago, Gladys said: The MR report on Dr Glover's evidence is interesting. Can't copy it for some reason. Read it to the end. I'm beyond caring now who's telling how much of the truth and who isn't, it just breaks my heart that we consistently pay so much money to so many people who belong in a primary school playground rather than a workplace, and who appear fundamentally unfit to do their actual jobs. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sheldon said: I'm beyond caring now who's telling how much of the truth and who isn't, it just breaks my heart that we consistently pay so much money to so many people who belong in a primary school playground rather than a workplace, and who appear fundamentally unfit to do their actual jobs. Are we including the politicos in this? I think there will be many that won’t cover themselves in glory, and potential embarrassment with ramifications. It won’t be Nobles/Manx Care that will experience these stories, but probably other areas of IOMG CS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, 2112 said: Are we including the politicos in this? Abso-fucking-lutely! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Gladys said: The MR report on Dr Glover's evidence is interesting. Can't copy it for some reason. Read it to the end. Here’s MR report https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/information-blockage-in-dhsc-during-early-stages-of-pandemic/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Amongst other aspects its just more false claims of being hacked to distance herself from Tweets she made. Yes, but there are other things like was Dr R on a performance management plan or not, who moved her to an office with a broken chair (Mrs Magson wasn't here to know about the chair, or was she primed?) and so on? There has to be a fundamental reason for this catalogue of poor communication, poor management and the sense of infallibility or inculpability throughout from Minister all the way down. You just have to hope that, with the creation of Manx Care, we have not been landed with two completely dysfunctional organisations whose best defence to anything will be to blame the other. You know what I am going to say now, but this does not measure up well to those principles of public life. Edited February 4, 2022 by Gladys 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: What Sheldon says above is right. Watching a load of middle aged superannuated children argue about who got to sit on a broken chair is f**king embarrassing to be honest. It is, but it is also symptomatic of a culture that has to stop. Of course, a broken chair is neither here nor there, but if you feel you are being targeted then it becomes significant. On the other hand, perhaps if the broken chair had been quickly reported and dealt with then it is a non-event. And that needs both sides to deal with it courteously and maturely. It is just horrendous, and all this shite, whether it was a real vendetta or imagined, at a time when the health service was facing its greatest challenge just makes you wonder. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Bean Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 All I can say is…Jesus…what a fucking snake pit to work in!! 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Just now, offshoremanxman said: Yes I agree with that bit. As an advertisement for our front line health service in a national emergency it’s pitiful. The culture clearly was (and is) highly toxic and full of childish narcissists playing playground games with each other. Then add on top people claiming they’ve been hacked when they make embarrassing childish online posts and people blocking other peoples phones and writing childish letters that either were or were not shredded when the Covid wards were filling up with potential fatalities it makes you wonder why all the private citizens were locked up for their own safety when such f**king idiots were deemed to be essential in order to continue life as we know it. It isn't an advertisement, it is an indictment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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