IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[Non-Believer]

For every one special, independent adviser who has to be employed; 3 untrustworthy, lying twats should be dismissed.

Why should the GMTP have to pay for people who can't be trusted?

[Whatnonsence]

2 hours ago, StrangeBrew said:

I’m not suggesting we look to increase costs, but MPs get a budget to cover the staffing costs, as well as the cost of running a local office. So they can afford to pay a trusted advisor to help them work through what they are presented with by civil servants. Our MHKs are very much on their own and have to fully rely on civil servants, who may have their own agenda.

 

https://www.theipsa.org.uk/mp-staffing-business-costs

There more than happy with the situation they find themselves in as an MHK once inside the club and as long as they don’t rock the boat everything is at their disposal.

When  has an MHK brought about a private members bill for example ?

The only time they get busy is at election time and then they only try and keep their electorate happy 😃 

 

[cissolt]

Just watched the Paul Moulton interview with Julie Edge, disappointing to hear she is firmly toeing the party line and praising Alfs 'plan'.  I hoped for better from her.

[Newsdesk]

16 minutes ago, cissolt said:

Just watched the Paul Moulton interview with Julie Edge, disappointing to hear she is firmly toeing the party line and praising Alfs 'plan'.  I hoped for better from her.

Alf’s plan per see isn’t that bad if you cut through the waffle - assuming he actually does what he says he will do in reforming the civil service. But keeping Ashford on as part of it will get embarrassing for him at one stage. The man has no credibility at all and we’ve now got to believe that he will be doing something to help all those poor people to pay their bills. Which he won’t do either. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Newsdesk

[english zloty]

5 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

Alf’s plan per see isn’t that bad if you cut through the waffle - assuming he actually does what he says he will do in reforming the civil service. But keeping Ashford on as part of it will get embarrassing for him at one stage. The man has no credibility at all and we’ve now got to believe that he will be doing something to help all those poor people to pay their bills. Which he won’t do either. 

By not sacking him now Alf has a slimy little gimp in his pocket for everything he wants or does. Politically having a future sacking in store when needed to protect Alf is way better for Alf than Alf sacking him now when everyone expects Alf to sack him. Also good for Alf is the dangling carrot of Ministership for toady backbencher types. Who will now also be more likely to support Alf.

It's all about Alfie

[Albert Tatlock]

Just now, english zloty said:

By not sacking him now Alf has a slimy little gimp in his pocket for everything he wants or does. Politically having a future sacking in store when needed to protect Alf is way better for Alf than Alf sacking him now when everyone expects Alf to sack him. Also good for Alf is the dangling carrot of Ministership for toady backbencher types. Who will now also be more likely to support Alf.

It's all about Alfie

It's all about two career politicians.

[Albert Tatlock]

13 minutes ago, Newsdesk said:

Alf’s plan per see isn’t that bad if you cut through the waffle - assuming he actually does what he says he will do in reforming the civil service. But keeping Ashford on as part of it will get embarrassing for him at one stage. The man has no credibility at all and we’ve now got to believe that he will be doing something to help all those poor people to pay their bills. Which he won’t do either. 

He won't reform...he said so 2 months ago...declined a voted review.

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, hampsterkahn said:

There is no evidence (from this tribunal)  that this behaviour was in some way a cultural norm  for that or any other Department. On the basis of the tribunals findings, any general   “improvements” should begin with action against these perpetrators.

I may have missed hearing it,but recognising that the tribunal was about an individual being proven to have been treated badly, an apology to Dr Ranson would have been appropriate.

Usually a formal apology is seen as part of the settlement and its terms are negotiated accordingly.  Or not - sorry is often the hardest word for many organisations, especially if it's deserved.  So sometimes settlements are increased rather than accept responsibility publically.  It's a fairly insulting way to behave, but if anything has been emphasised from this case it's that the most important thing in the Manx government is the egos of those running it and it's always worth endless amounts of other people's money to maintain that.

I take your point about the use of generalisations to avoid penalising individuals - no matter how guilty.  Indeed one of the many cultural problems that the Manx Civil Service does have is this diffusion of responsibility is built into all the processes - hence the need for so many managers, so many committees, making sure that the decision that comes to ministers to sign off can't be queried. 

But in this case, even though the tribunal was only looking at things directly affecting Dr Ranson, there are enough hints to confirm the culture of bullying that was operating in DHSC (and had done so for many years - you only have to look at some of the past threads on MF).  For example:

128. In her February 2021 presentation (page 1053), Dr Ranson [...] summarised the challenge on arrival in January 2020 as follows:

•  A disillusioned, fragmented medical workforce.
•  Reports of bullying were rife.

138. Anyone who has read the report of Sir Jonathan Michael, which led to the separation of the DHSC and the creation of Manx Care can have no doubt that the Island’s Health Service was in substantial need of reform. Not least, in Noble’s Hospital, there was a culture of bullying, harassment and an atmosphere of toxicity among the staff. There was also distrust.

140. In recent years leading up to 2020, there had been considerable changes in executive management personnel at different levels and, most obviously, in the more senior executive positions. Such problems within Noble’s Hospital were well-known to this Tribunal from a number of previous lawsuits involving various serious allegations including medical neglect, bullying and harassment.

142. The evidence of Mrs Cope was that Ms Murray, the COO during 2020 and into 2021, was dismissed, a decision that had to be endorsed by Miss Magson because Manx Care had not yet officially started. Ms Murray’s date of departure of 8th February 2021 was confirmed by Ms Heeley and was apparently officially by mutual agreement. Mrs Cope’s evidence was that she was concerned to find a bullying problem and not just involving Ms Murray.

And that's just from a small part of the Decision.

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, Albert Tatlock said:

He won't reform...he said so 2 months ago...declined a voted review.

And yet he's also reported as saying today that Govt has "grown too big and too unwieldy".

Get the fence out of your arse, Alf.

[buncha wankas]

On 5/16/2022 at 3:06 PM, hissingsid said:

I hope David does not resign, I don’t see why he should.   He has worked tirelessly all through the pandemic and probably was not in the playground when the three woman were having their differences of opinions.    The venomous Thomas has not done anything of note in the entire time he has been a member of Tynwald except waffle .    I sent David an email a short time ago, a reply came the next day with all the information I had asked for he is extremely hard working and conscientious.   As Dr Allinson said today they were difficult times with lots of different opinions  from respected health professionals.     Hindsight is a wonderful thing. 

HR Director should be the one to resign, it is their job, cabinet office, to ensure compliance with employment and culture expectations.  They, whomever, clearly failed in their job.

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, english zloty said:

By not sacking him now Alf has a slimy little gimp in his pocket for everything he wants or does. Politically having a future sacking in store when needed to protect Alf is way better for Alf than Alf sacking him now when everyone expects

I think another problem Cannan has is a simple shortage of slimy little gimps.  If you compare it to Quayle's CoMin, he simply lacks the Ministers who will do whatever they are told and defend the Department whatever as long as it involves the minimum of effort and the maximum of pay.  The pay is now less important and most of the willing gimps (Baker, Harmer, Boot, Cregeen) were disposed of by the electorate or (Quayle, Skelly) found a way of avoiding them.  So Ashford is probably his most reliable ally and he'll hang on to him for dear life.

[buncha wankas]

9 hours ago, BenFairfax said:

That arse kissing got Mrs Malone promoted to DHSC CEO, shows the civil service culture and how to get promoted into 90k job.    Smart texts.   😆 😝 

[Steady Eddie]

10 minutes ago, buncha wankas said:

HR Director should be the one to resign, it is their job, cabinet office, to ensure compliance with employment and culture expectations.  They, whomever, clearly failed in their job.

What lingers through all of this is self preservation by Comin members. The only good thing to perhaps come out of this is a culture where the actions of civil servants are simply not trusted. And if they lie, or cheat, or are lazy or useless and leave their Ministers exposed nobody is prepared to carry the can for their useless asses anymore. If that’s the byproduct so be it. But Ashford should have still tended his resignation. 

[Newsdesk]

5 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

What lingers through all of this is self preservation by Comin members. The only good thing to perhaps come out of this is a culture where the actions of civil servants are simply not trusted. And if they lie, or cheat, or are lazy or useless and leave their Ministers exposed nobody is prepared to carry the can for their useless asses anymore. If that’s the byproduct so be it. But Ashford should have still tended his resignation. 

I’d agree with that to a point. Crookall seems to have the same view with the about turn he’s done on the airport parking. He’s clearly been fed a load of lies by absolute incompetents too and realized it at the last minute. But sorry the Minister is the Minister. If you take the word of liars at face value it reflects on you first and foremost. The trick is to enforce a culture where devious lying weasels are exposed for what they are. The best you can say from Cannans speech today is that hopefully a lot of people in a lot of departments are going to get a kick in the head and told who is boss. Despite this Ashford should have resigned.

[Roger Mexico]

11 minutes ago, buncha wankas said:

HR Director should be the one to resign, it is their job, cabinet office, to ensure compliance with employment and culture expectations.  They, whomever, clearly failed in their job.

Not just that.  The Executive Director of Human Resources is Clair Conie.  She was a witness to the tribunal and she appears quite a lot in the Decision.  Not usually in a good light.  She conspired with Magson to sideline Ranson and undermine her and like so many others had lots of convenient memory lapses about the process - usually undermined by documentation.