IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[asitis]

15 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

From tonight's Manx Independent Letters Page.

 

Mr Cannan needs to act now to put this fire out before it spreads out of control ! Leadership is required to restore credibility and confidence in the service.

[Wavey Davey]

24 minutes ago, Dr. Grumpy said:

I see a vacancy on the board. Any takers?

@rachomics? @John Wright?

 

Anyone else?

Wow that’s a real jobs for the boys structure of professional liggers. 

[FOR THE PEOPLE]

On 2/12/2022 at 12:45 PM, Sheldon said:

At least there is reason to hope that, one way or the other, the truth will eventually come out here.

The natural tendency in a tribunal like this is to side with the poor downtrodden employee against the big bad faceless organisation. However, as the Michelle Inglis case amply demonstrated, it sometimes turns out that the employee really was just a twat 😃

 

How do you dare call one women wrong when the cases appear to be the same with the only difference being high management fighting higher management and more importantly documents missing, or being applied late - not the first time the DHSC did this, Inglis case they did the same.  I am so glad that Dr Ranson got a good QC to represent her, perhaps if Inglis could have afforded it this would have came to light then.  

People are always suffering at the hands of the DHSC and when brought to court they are just washed over.  No more, our past medical director has shown this.

[Bandits]

26 minutes ago, FOR THE PEOPLE said:

How do you dare call one women wrong when the cases appear to be the same with the only difference being high management fighting higher management and more importantly documents missing, or being applied late - not the first time the DHSC did this, Inglis case they did the same. 

So funny - as it’s nighttime in Australia I assume you must be the angry cyber-nonce kid.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Bandits

[Non-Believer]

24 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Quite.  What is worrying is that these problems seem to have been there for a very, very long time but no action has been taken to address them. 

More than likely because our elected never get to hear about it; or if they do, those concerned persuade them otherwise.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this isn't confined to Health. We have a good part of a generation of CS who have spent their careers looking after themselves and developing a culture of unassailability through mendacious and downright dishonourable conduct, and that down into the LAs too. AC referred to this in his tirade of October last although it was focused on the DOI at the time.

So now we're going to rectify it by hiring "independent advisors" who will supposedly tell elected Ministers the truth. Another expensive layer of jobs for mates and the well connected. WTF?

Grow some balls Alf, start identifying and dismissing instead. Gross misconduct is the tool available. Save the taxpayers some cash.

[Ham_N_Eggs]

18 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

More than likely because our elected never get to hear about it; or if they do, those concerned persuade them otherwise.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that this isn't confined to Health. We have a good part of a generation of CS who have spent their careers looking after themselves and developing a culture of unassailability through mendacious and downright dishonourable conduct, and that down into the LAs too. AC referred to this in his tirade of October last although it was focused on the DOI at the time.

So now we're going to rectify it by hiring "independent advisors" who will supposedly tell elected Ministers the truth. Another expensive layer of jobs for mates and the well connected. WTF?

Grow some balls Alf, start identifying and dismissing instead. Gross misconduct is the tool available. Save the taxpayers some cash.

The non-exec directors will be the same people who are on the boards of the MUA, Post Office and various Government Boards and Quangos etc 

[Roger Mexico]

37 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Quite.  What is worrying is that these problems seem to have been there for a very, very long time but no action has been taken to address them. 

It's even worse than that.  One of the points of the splitting of the DHSC and Manx Care was to remove the possibility of external scrutiny completely.  Instead they would have their mates at DHSC monitoring them (social services as well of course).  There's a whole team now employed at the DHSC supposed to be engaged in this:

(That's on top of the Strategy and Commissioning Team and the Corporate Services Team of course.)

Of course it's impossible for such people (even with the best will in the world) to monitor an organisation the are constantly seeing on a daily basis.  And without the constant experience of having other non-Manx organisations to compare with, there's no real way that valid assessments can be made - even if freedom from pressure was possible.  And given the corporate culture of Manx government, how likely does anyone thing that would be?

[Sheldon]

55 minutes ago, FOR THE PEOPLE said:

perhaps if Inglis could have afforded it this would have came to light then.  

It's hard to imagine how you could get two more diametrically opposed tribunal verdicts, though. They don't bandy phrases like "workshy time waster" around lightly.

[Roger Mexico]

7 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

The non-exec directors will be the same people who are on the boards of the MUA, Post Office and various Government Boards and Quangos etc 

Again it's even worse than that.  Of the five NEDs appointed to Manx Care two might fit that description but the other three (one of whom has since died, hence the vacancy) all lived in the UK and one seems to have no Manx connections at all.  As of course does the Chairman.  So not only are they those sort of people but those sort of people in a different country.

Again the whole purpose of these things is to minimise external regulation so that those running the organisation can get away with whatever they want.  And we can see how that has worked out in the past.

[Steady Eddie]

35 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

The non-exec directors will be the same people who are on the boards of the MUA, Post Office and various Government Boards and Quangos etc 

Nigel Wood is one of the most unsuitable people going to be on any board.

[Banker]

7 minutes ago, Steady Eddie said:

Nigel Wood is one of the most unsuitable people going to be on any board.

Why? He has extensive business experience 

[Roger Mexico]

21 minutes ago, Sheldon said:

It's hard to imagine how you could get two more diametrically opposed tribunal verdicts, though. They don't bandy phrases like "workshy time waster" around lightly.

It was actually worse than that.  The 100-page Decision was another of Douglas Stewart's literary feats - so the Chair was the same as for Ranson.  There's over 550 paragraphs and if you pick any of 500 or so non-technical ones, it's damning of Inglis.

[Newsdesk]

56 minutes ago, Sheldon said:

It's hard to imagine how you could get two more diametrically opposed tribunal verdicts, though. They don't bandy phrases like "workshy time waster" around lightly.

You certainly can’t compare the two cases in any way I’d suggest. But there will have been cases where evidence was also fabricated. The outcome of the forged documents investigation will be very interesting. 

[buncha wankas]

3 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

From tonight's Manx Independent Letters Page.

 

Didn’t the head of care quality get a obe or something, I remember article about her getting it. 

[Non-Believer]

2 minutes ago, buncha wankas said:

Didn’t the head of care quality get a obe or something, I remember article about her getting it. 

So did Tony Brown though. They're certainly not a measure of quality in public service any more...