hampsterkahn Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Dr Ranson’s tribunal victory raises some very disturbing “What if ?”s” 1.What if - Dr Ranson had not had the professional experience of 26 years as a general practitioner , several years working for the GMC and then for the QCC - to give her the confidence and considerable personal courage to stand her ground? 2.What if - she had not been able to access expert legal advice because of support from the BMA and the expertise of the one of the Medical Defence Societies. 3.What if -she had been ground-down by the concerted, dishonest and manipulative actions of her CEO, the chief medical officer who it shows bullied, denigrated and tried to “gaslight “ her and the senior civil servants whose actions have been laid bare by the tribunal. 4. What if it had been someone who did not have the professional background or the resilience to persist with her case or could not access the support of organisations that had such huge legal clout ? What if ? Well,I think we know. 1.We would not have heard about it. 2.She would have suffered the same fate as others - chewed up and spat out by the flawed system. And .. 3.We would not have heard about the forging of evidence by government officials which still needs further investigation. And.. 4.We would not have seen how the health minister gave evasive testimony as QC Segal illustrated - a general denial of any involvement until such denial was untenable. This is a situation that is not just “ uncomfortable”as the CM described it it the biggest expose of what can most charitably be called government “failings” in decades. -and because of the nature of it being a tribunal, there is no where to hide. 5 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, hampsterkahn said: and because of the nature of it being a tribunal, there is no where to hide. Unfortunately, it's already started, aided and abetted by no less a person than the President of Tynwald himself. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdesk Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, hampsterkahn said: We would not have heard about the forging of evidence by government officials which still needs further investigation. This is a very valid point. It has clearly happened before. But I doubt a local advocate has a forensic IT team behind them to basically second check all documents that a lot of lawyers may have taken as fact. The likelihood is that the HR Department and the DHSC have got away with it before but this time they came across a seriously tooled up QC who was having none of the usual poor standards and incompetence. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 10 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Unfortunately, it's already started, aided and abetted by no less a person than the President of Tynwald himself. Watching the dialogue between him and Cannan he clearly was on orders to close people down. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, Bandits said: Watching the dialogue between him and Cannan he clearly was on orders to close people down. Did anyone seriously expect anything else? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballaughbiker Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 We only know about this case because it went to tribunal. One wonders how many cases get 'settled' to avoid both public and off-island scrutiny. I know of two cases over the last 30+ years where decent, ethical, able and hardworking clinicians were treated very badly indeed by the employer both due to, imo, middle managers with way too much executive power linked to too little managerial experience. It is also my opinion that one of these cases involved a degree of victimisation and vexatious behavior by the clinical middle manager involved who had a known departmental track record of managerial concerns going back years. I understand that both cases resulted in significant settlements at public expense to (one assumes) avoid tribunal where the Manx public (and UK media) would have been shocked at how one of these clinicians in particularly was treated during the due process. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 8:21 PM, Dr. Grumpy said: I see a vacancy on the board. Any takers? @rachomics? @John Wright? Anyone else? Not me. I've spent 12 months on an NHS quango. The last 8 I've been bullied and isolated by the longest serving member. I'm about to whistleblow. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: Not me. I've spent 12 months on an NHS quango. The last 8 I've been bullied and isolated by the longest serving member. I'm about to whistleblow. So even the quangos share that ethos. It really needs a thorough clear out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Gladys said: So even the quangos share that ethos. It really needs a thorough clear out. I’ve come to the conclusion that people (a few, some, most?) aren’t very nice. In all walks of life. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, wrighty said: I’ve come to the conclusion that people (a few, some, most?) aren’t very nice. In all walks of life. Agreed there are some horrors, but I generally find people are nice. Perhaps everyone has an inner bastard that, if allowed by the culture, will soon surface? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, John Wright said: Not me. I've spent 12 months on an NHS quango. The last 8 I've been bullied and isolated by the longest serving member. I'm about to whistleblow. Sorry to hear that John. We need an anti bullying unit to root out all these scumbags, no golden handshake, just kicked out the door and publicly shamed. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Grumpy Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, John Wright said: Not me. I've spent 12 months on an NHS quango. The last 8 I've been bullied and isolated by the longest serving member. I'm about to whistleblow. So sorry to hear that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachomics Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) On 5/19/2022 at 7:21 PM, Dr. Grumpy said: I see a vacancy on the board. Any takers? @rachomics? @John Wright? Anyone else? I'm not sure there's any number I would be comfortable with to even apply for that. Coincidentally, this is also why I believe that increasing MHK salaries is a waste of money. Those that will stand, will stand. The salary won't make a difference. Edited May 21, 2022 by rachomics 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Grumpy Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 minute ago, rachomics said: I'm not sure there's any number I would be comfortable with to even apply for that. That says all there is to know about Manx Care to me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachomics Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, John Wright said: DHSC, not MC The DHSC I encountered is now called MC. Same people, different name. Edited May 21, 2022 by rachomics 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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