IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[Numbnuts]

5 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I don't know,  presumably this will be explained next week. 

Unless they agree a settlement before next weeks hearings there is  lots of twists and turns to come yet. Hooper will go after the next hearings if it goes as expected by the GMP. 

[Numbnuts]

1 hour ago, WTF said:

his own cock as usual

Wonder if it helps with numbness ......

[swoopy2110]

13 minutes ago, Kopek said:

... but the scribbled notes should still be available ???

They ended up in Ashford's shredder with the Dr Glover letter

[Kopek]

Why should Hooper go if he was not in favour of the action?

[Roger Mexico]

19 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

If there is substance to these allegations, who is going to instigate an investigation and who is going to carry out an investigation? This is not office politics.

It's a good question.  I don't think the Tribunal has the powers either legally or practically.  All they can do in this case is to try to find out what happened and how, as much as they can.  They then use that information to assess the recompense required[1].  Of course when issuing those findings they might well indicate that they believe the law has been broken and the appropriate people should investigate and (if appropriate) prosecute.  But even the process of determining the facts in open tribunal may make that likely - or people should be asking why.

It ought to be under the supervision of someone brought in from outside and using investigating officers similarly and decision about charging and so on should be outsourced.  This has been done before.  Even the appointment of such outsiders should be done externally to prevent the perception of mates being picked or those who might hope for future benefits.

 

[1]  Incidentally it would be very nice to find out exactly what it is (providing Ranson and her team agree with such openness).  The time for non-disclosure agreements to protect civil servants should be long gone.

[Gladys]

Just now, Numbnuts said:

Unless they agree a settlement before next weeks hearings there is  lots of twists and turns to come yet. Hooper will go after the next hearings if it goes as expected by the GMP. 

Indeed, not sure if the window is closed for that though.  But, again everyone has made their mind up on this.  Perhaps there is a more straightforward explanation that points to incompetence rather than some conspiracy. 

Not that that is any better for the GMP, and still needs to be addressed and quickly, but we need to wait and see what transpires next week rather than expecting a whole expose of misdeeds. 

[WTF]

26 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Unless they agree a settlement before next weeks hearings there is  lots of twists and turns to come yet. Hooper will go after the next hearings if it goes as expected by the GMP. 

usual DHSC tactic is to delay as long as possible hoping you fold or run out of money followed by not even bothering to turn up to court once they realise they are going to lose and you win uncontested at the final showdown that isn't.

[Kopek]

34 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Of course when issuing those findings they might well indicate that they believe the law has been broken and the appropriate people should investigate and (if appropriate) prosecute.

.....and that would be for the AGs dept to decide if a prosecution stands a chance of success? The Ags dept who have just withdrawn from this procedure!!!

[Numbnuts]

4 minutes ago, Kopek said:

.....and that would be for the AGs dept to decide if a prosecution stands a chance of success? The Ags dept who have just withdrawn from this procedure!!!

Yes its totally incestous and will get worse if they get away with AG's office dealing with prosecution and defence in legal cases . 

[Kopek]

well they have withdrawn from defense???

[Kopek]

I know, professionally, some of the people involved in this debacle and would not wish them any personal harm or angst but did they show the same consideration to Ranson???

[Numbnuts]

18 minutes ago, Kopek said:

I know, professionally, some of the people involved in this debacle and would not wish them any personal harm or angst but did they show the same consideration to Ranson???

Nope , they were happy to throw her under a bus and its come back to bite them big time. 

[hampsterkahn]

1 hour ago, Kopek said:

I know, professionally, some of the people involved in this debacle and would not wish them any personal harm

Well, that’s reassuring 

In a  small place,I guess a few of us know a few people; some of us know a lot of people; some of us  know an awful lot of people…

Many of these  relationships  fall into the “professional” category, in one way or another.

Why would you  wish them  any of them harm, based solely on being involved..  “in this debacle “?

Or, as you put it,“ personal” harm.

Is that a specially unpleasant type of “Harm”?

[Wavey Davey]

3 hours ago, Kopek said:

Why should Hooper go if he was not in favour of the action?

Hooper will inevitably prove how dispensable he is over this. He’s probably been badly advised but then again he’s the Minister. Ashford was badly advised by those around him too and look what happened to him. 

[asitis]

6 hours ago, Wavey Davey said:

Hooper will inevitably prove how dispensable he is over this. He’s probably been badly advised but then again he’s the Minister. Ashford was badly advised by those around him too and look what happened to him. 

Yes, but they both have egos which far outweigh their abilities !