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[Banker]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Have you paid any attention to the news from England about health care, waiting times, ambulances ( even without the strikes ), over the last 2 weeks, 3 months, 12 months, 3 years, 12 years?

Theres been a constant real time reduction in front line pay in the name of austerity, for 12 years. Result workers are leaving in droves and recruitment is impossible.

Add to that Brexit. Many European medics, para medics, and care workers went home. They won’t come back with the hostile immigration environment of Patel & Braverman.

Covid won’t have helped either.

No one wants huge delays to arrival of ambulance, waiting in ambulances until space is available in A&E, then a wait to get onto a ward. But it’s cold reality.

She’s being bed blocked. Because there’s no places or funding. A&E is full. People in A&E need to be moved onto wards. Wards are full, because patients fit to be discharged have nowhere to go, no care beds, no home care services. Mainly because of underfunding. NI was to go up to fund that. But Truss/Kwarteng and Sunak/Hunt reversed that.

Why should she be shunted off to a home? you ask. Well, she shouldn’t be shunted anywhere. You shouldn’t shunt to a home. Homes should be properly funded, warm, caring, homely. 

If she goes home, whatever care package she gets, won’t be 24/7. She’ll fall again. There won’t be a care home place nearby/at all. So she will end up bed blocking.

Yet idiots like Banker keep voting Tory!

I don’t get a vote in Uk election do you?

The issue is that no one wants to pay more money to pay for services, what we need is higher taxes on the wealthy like fat cat lawyer’s like you!

[John Wright]

10 minutes ago, Banker said:

I don’t get a vote in Uk election do you?

The issue is that no one wants to pay more money to pay for services, what we need is higher taxes on the wealthy like fat cat lawyer’s like you!

No, it’s that Tories reduce taxes on the wealthy, restore bankers bonuses, and add to the taxation of low and middle earners, all the while cutting front line services.

If the NI proposals had been left in place there’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

if, in 2010, the Tories hadn’t reduced tax on their chums, much of the austerity would have been unnecessary, and essential services would have been maintained. There wouldn’t have been such severe work force shortages, retention and recruitment. There’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

If the Tories, in 2016, hadn’t been so consumed by saving their party at the expense of the country, Brexit would not have occurred. The economy would have been 4%-6% bigger, tax take would be more. Guess what, there’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

Ive worked hard and long, been careful, but you don’t get to be a fat cat, on legal aid, duty advocate and pro Bono. Not even doing public duties.

[Banker]

4 minutes ago, John Wright said:

No, it’s that Tories reduce taxes on the wealthy, restore bankers bonuses, and add to the taxation of low and middle earners, all the while cutting front line services.

If the NI proposals had been left in place there’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

if, in 2010, the Tories hadn’t reduced tax on their chums, much of the austerity would have been unnecessary, and essential services would have been maintained. There wouldn’t have been such severe work force shortages, retention and recruitment. There’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

If the Tories, in 2016, hadn’t been so consumed by saving their party at the expense of the country, Brexit would not have occurred. The economy would have been 4%-6% bigger, tax take would be more. Guess what, there’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

Ive worked hard and long, been careful, but you don’t get to be a fat cat, on legal aid, duty advocate and pro Bono. Not even doing public duties.

You sound like Angela Rayner !! What about the £3/400 Billion cost of Covid & support for Ukraine plus heating subsidies which the left wing rabble forgets conveniently 

[John Wright]

3 minutes ago, Banker said:

You sound like Angela Rayner !! What about the £3/400 Billion cost of Covid & support for Ukraine plus heating subsidies which the left wing rabble forgets conveniently 

And is sounding like Angela Rayner, or Jeremy Corbin, a bad thing?

As for Covid, Ukraine, they’re exceptional, but you don’t cut wages for front line workers and front line services to pay for those. In any event, the cuts to most workers real time wages, and to front line services, occurred 2010-2020 financial, before either.

As for fuel/heating subsidy - you target, not blanket.

The left aren’t a rabble. And they know things have to be paid for. The Tories on the other hand have reverted to pre one nation Toryism, don’t want the services, don’t want to pay for them and couldn’t care less about the consequences.

[Banker]

10 minutes ago, John Wright said:

And is sounding like Angela Rayner, or Jeremy Corbin, a bad thing?

As for Covid, Ukraine, they’re exceptional, but you don’t cut wages for front line workers and front line services to pay for those. In any event, the cuts to most workers real time wages, and to front line services, occurred 2010-2020 financial, before either.

As for fuel/heating subsidy - you target, not blanket.

The left aren’t a rabble. And they know things have to be paid for. The Tories on the other hand have reverted to pre one nation Toryism, don’t want the services, don’t want to pay for them and couldn’t care less about the consequences.

Sorry but being like Corbyn is a very bad thing, we’ll just have to disagree.

However I am completely for higher taxes for higher earners here & in Uk 

[Expat.]

13 minutes ago, Banker said:

You sound like Angela Rayner !! What about the £3/400 Billion cost of Covid & support for Ukraine plus heating subsidies which the left wing rabble forgets conveniently 

 

13 minutes ago, Banker said:

You sound like Angela Rayner !! What about the £3/400 Billion cost of Covid & support for Ukraine plus heating subsidies which the left wing rabble forgets conveniently 

I'm part of the left wing rabble and I haven't forgotten it. If you're going to be a tory apologist you might want to pick better ground than covid. They pissed away billions (ask Michelle) because they had no pandemic plan in place, even though a major viral pandemic strikes every decade or so. They even sent the national stockpile of PPE to landfill, binned the people who maintained it and had to beg them to come back when the inevitable happened. Lets not get too carried away by furlough payments either. The government banned you from going to work, they had to offer compensation, or the loans to business which became a global conmen playground. etc etc

'Support for Ukraine'? What's the alternative? Let a psychopathic dictator invade another country? It's not like we're doing the fighting.

Heating subsidies? What's the alternative when you sold off your energy infrastructure to foreigners and let them determine a price based on the cost therm of gas on a day in April last year? When you've dismantled your own storage infrastructure?

[John Wright]

8 minutes ago, Banker said:

Sorry but being like Corbyn is a very bad thing, we’ll just have to disagree.

However I am completely for higher taxes for higher earners here & in Uk 

Corbin was undermined and vilified by the Tory owned press. Mainly owned by offshore tax dodgers.

His programme was far less radical or left wing than that of Attlee and the post war Labour government. The one that, in spite of huge indebtedness caused by a national emergency, and the highest imaginable tax burden ( much more evenly and fairly spread ), managed to introduce universal health care, social welfare, and public ownership of transport, power generation and distribution, coal and steel.

[WTF]

58 minutes ago, John Wright said:

No, it’s that Tories reduce taxes on the wealthy, restore bankers bonuses, and add to the taxation of low and middle earners, all the while cutting front line services.

If the NI proposals had been left in place there’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

if, in 2010, the Tories hadn’t reduced tax on their chums, much of the austerity would have been unnecessary, and essential services would have been maintained. There wouldn’t have been such severe work force shortages, retention and recruitment. There’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

If the Tories, in 2016, hadn’t been so consumed by saving their party at the expense of the country, Brexit would not have occurred. The economy would have been 4%-6% bigger, tax take would be more. Guess what, there’d have been enough to restore the pay of nurses, paramedics, care workers, and rail workers, and money left over.

Ive worked hard and long, been careful, but you don’t get to be a fat cat, on legal aid, duty advocate and pro Bono. Not even doing public duties.

if, if, if,   too late for ifs fella.

[John Wright]

Just now, WTF said:

if, if, if,   too late for ifs fella.

Yes. But we should never forget.

The mess that gave the Tories their election victory in 2010 was created by the Tories. ( I’m aware they were in coalition).

The austerity and its consequences 2010-2020 was down to the Tories. ( as was the previous long term austerity 1929-39 )

And so on.

 

[Apple]

13 hours ago, John Wright said:

Yes. But we should never forget.

So true,

I've just watched the BBC political review for 2021. The conservative party should never be allowed to be in office again based on what took place this year. Truss's Plan for Growth cost the UK £65 billion when the markets lost faith and confidence in the economy. £65 billion lost just on one announcement. Unbelievable they could get it so wrong. Apparently it will take years for the UK to make that up with their higher taxes for all (but the very rich) strategy carved out by Mr Hunt.

Looking at the NHS UK and the way it has been 'reformed' so far it's beginning to look as if the islands health and care services are being slowly moved into the same 'categories'. To me the road to privatisation in the UK seems to be set and the organisations that constitute the NHS separated out ready for "plucking?'. (being bought by others to be run separately  to 'support' the NHS.

Are we investing money only for someone else (insurance companies) to reap the rewards in the future. ? Keen to know.

[Ghost Ship]

15 hours ago, John Wright said:

Yes. But we should never forget.

The mess that gave the Tories their election victory in 2010 was created by the Tories. ( I’m aware they were in coalition)...

 

Is that the case?

Labour had been in power for 13 years by 2010.  Hadn't they had enough time to sort out the mess left by any previous Tory government?  I'm not sure what you are referring to as the the mess "created by the Tories."

I'd have thought one of the most significant contributions to the Tory victory in 2010 had been the effects of the global recession during the preceding couple of years.  And I've often wondered how much Gordon Brown's light touch regulation of the banking industry contributed to the effects of that recession in the UK.

I suspect that one of the most significant impacts on NHS funding over the last 30+ years has been that caused by Brown's banking rescue package during 2008 and 2009.  The money had to be found somewhere and I can remember watching clinical NHS staff on the verge of tears in meetings upon being told that they were probably going to have to make recurring cost "improvements" of about 5% pa over the next 4 years.  It wasn't easy to tell them this.

(Incidentally, I'm anything but a Tory but I worked in the NHS under both Tory and Labour governments and they were both as bad as each other.  I used to be a dyed in the wool socialist but gave up when Tony Blair became leader of the party.  And the leaders since him seem to have got worse, not better.  I had hopes for Corbyn as a "real" socialist but I think he was inept and incompetent as a leader.  I don't think you can honestly blame his demise simply on being vilified by the Tory owned press.  He was his own worst enemy... )

[asitis]

3 minutes ago, Ghost Ship said:

I suspect that one of the most significant impacts on NHS funding over the last 30+ years has been that caused by Brown's banking rescue package during 2008 and 2009.  The money had to be found somewhere and I can remember watching clinical NHS staff on the verge of tears in meetings upon being told that they were probably going to have to make recurring cost "improvements" of about 5% pa over the next 4 years.  It wasn't easy to tell them this.

Ahh yes the genius Brown, let's sell the gold at the bottom of the market ! that'll help, 50's women pensions delayed in the guise of equality ( actually the bail out) and starve the NHS, mind you the bankers were okay !

They are all as bad as each other, self serving hypocrites !

[Apple]

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/nobles-hospital-under-extreme-pressure1/

Given that we have neither labour or Tory government here then what on earth is going on at Nobles. 

This seems to be a daily ritual announcement these days. Time for some explanations as to what is happening.

E.g. How many beds are closed and why? 

[Boo Gay'n]

8 minutes ago, Apple said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/nobles-hospital-under-extreme-pressure1/

Given that we have neither labour or Tory government here then what on earth is going on at Nobles. 

This seems to be a daily ritual announcement these days. Time for some explanations as to what is happening.

E.g. How many beds are closed and why? 

Plus we have to have more jargon - "Noble's is currently operating at "OPEL Four" - meaning it is operating under extreme pressure."  That is meant to give us comfort, apparently.

The only strategy is to ask people to come down to Ramsey...

I agree with Apple - it is starting to sound a lot like flight cancellations.

[Ghost Ship]

On 12/27/2022 at 12:13 PM, John Wright said:

... She was taken to Great Yarmouth hospital. A one hour plus journey. A journey that went past two hospitals, including the large Norfolk & Norwich, both with 24 hour A&E.

None of that is good.

If it's any consolation some people would say she was better off being taken to the emergency dept at the James Paget rather than at the N&N.  (BTW, what was the second hospital they went past?)

You could ask the ambulance trust why they did that...

(While you're about it you could also ask them if they still employ Mrs Magson  I don't do Linkedin but somebody posted her profile here several months ago and it said she was then currently employed by EAAT...