Gladys Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Laughing only at the irony, not the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, wrighty said: Who would you get to recruit new HR people? Hmmmm I see the problem LOL ! Maybe some members of the public burdened with the rigours of common sense. Edited February 3, 2023 by asitis 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, asitis said: Hmmmm I see the problem LOL ! Maybe some members of the public burdened with the rigours of common sense. And exercise due diligence with a fine tooth comb. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, wrighty said: Assume for a moment that you're right, how do you propose to 'reset' HR? Who would you get to recruit new HR people? Indeed: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, as you medical chaps might say? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Jarndyce said: I don’t know how they get away with employing such patently unsuitable candidates. HR department must be at least partly to blame - either complicit or asleep at the wheel. the problem is these useless cunts actually talk the talk really well and interview very well , they just can't walk the walk or even crawl the crawl. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Runner Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, wrighty said: Assume for a moment that you're right, how do you propose to 'reset' HR? Who would you get to recruit new HR people? For further examples see the liar's paradox and Godel's Incompleteness Theorems. Put it out to the private sector. If they don't supply the right person for the job they have to give up their fees. That focuses their mind from what I know from my time in the industry. Having said that, your top bod, Alfie "I can bend double" who was at KWC a couple of years below me, was?, is? In the HR industry. He of all people should easily see where the weak point is, if it is in fact IOMG-HR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 https://www.gov.im/news/2014/may/30/mark-charters-appointed-chief-executive-of-department-of-health-and-social-care/ This fellow lasted less than a year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: He of all people should easily see where the weak point is, the weak point is in his mirror 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, WTF said: the weak point is in his mirror Do you mean it answers incorrectly when asked "mirror mirror on the wall, who's the best CM of all"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 54 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Indeed: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, as you medical chaps might say? Indeed, 'who will guard the guards'? A very good question all about infettered, or unaccountable, power. Those Romans knew a thing or two. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyL Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 6 hours ago, RonWeasley said: She arrived to “change the whole system”, employed a deputy director manager in adult social services who doesn’t know what she’s doing, did the same in childrens social services, those deputies then hired very inexperienced managers who don’t know what they’re doing so most of the staff on the ground level left as she and the deputies ruined everything positive. Now she leaves a month before the reported inspection?! Suspicious 🤨 Well she certainly did that! All previous experienced senior managers gone, experienced Social Workers gone! Terrible for the children and families on the Island. I doubt it was through their own choice. The question is was she pushed or did she fall, perhaps it was another golden hand shake for being crap at her job. Workers had been raising concerns for months but nothing done, HR complicit in all of the failings. Bring back previous Social Workers and Managers to sort this s**t show out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Gladys said: Indeed, 'who will guard the guards'? A very good question all about infettered, or unaccountable, power. Those Romans knew a thing or two. That quote was always being brought up when I was in MI5…(you ain’t seen me…) 🤫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampsterkahn Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jarndyce said: Indeed: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, as you medical chaps might say? Well, no- one,it seems. But perhaps attention should focus on whether there is a common factor here with a number of of short- lived and disastrous appointments. In that case might that factor be those who select, and very importantly, those who interview and appoint these candidates? Clearly their success rate, though consistent, is appalling. Perhaps that is where the problems lie. If we are going for Latin phrases, then a legal one would then seem to apply : “ res ipsa loquitur” - “It speaks for itself” Edited February 3, 2023 by hampsterkahn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 7 hours ago, WTF said: the problem is these useless cunts actually talk the talk really well and interview very well , they just can't walk the walk or even crawl the crawl. Some of them have crawling off to a fine art, crawling their way to success. It's entirely possible that those short-lived careers end because the new appointee, let's assume one eminently capable and eager to get stuck in, after a while find themselves stymied by a staid, flawed system and culture unprepared for, even fearful of, change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 ....... airport a fine example of this failed vetting and appointing people totally out of their depth and unsuited to the role, Reynolds, Spake and now Cobb ! There is no wonder the place is a cluster. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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