Moghrey Mie Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 54 minutes ago, Banker said: From reports in February 66 international recruits starting over coming months https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/health/nurse-shortage-was-a-problem-before-manx-care-593286 Can they provide these new people with accommodation? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Banker said: From reports in February 66 international recruits starting over coming months https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/health/nurse-shortage-was-a-problem-before-manx-care-593286 I hear that these international recruits will only be nursing assistants until they have passed the exams over here and gained their licence. Surely the nurses being trained over here should be the first priority for the jobs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Zulu said: I hear that these international recruits will only be nursing assistants until they have passed the exams over here and gained their licence. Surely the nurses being trained over here should be the first priority for the jobs? I’m sure they will be when they complete qualification & training? Who told you all 66 recruits would be nursing assistants? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Just now, Banker said: I’m sure they will be when they complete qualification & training? Who told you all 66 recruits would be nursing assistants? It is common knowledge that if an international nurse wants to practise in the UK they are classed as nursing assistants until they have passed their exams and gained their uk licence! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Zulu said: It is common knowledge that if an international nurse wants to practise in the UK they are classed as nursing assistants until they have passed their exams and gained their uk licence! Details are here: https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/recruitment-overseas-nurses-and-midwives There's some online stuff they can do before they get here, but they need to go away to a test centre to pass a practical and English language competency. It the meantime they can presumably work as healthcare assistants, though the employer is expected to provide training to help them qualify. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 10 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Details are here: https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/recruitment-overseas-nurses-and-midwives There's some online stuff they can do before they get here, but they need to go away to a test centre to pass a practical and English language competency. It the meantime they can presumably work as healthcare assistants, though the employer is expected to provide training to help them qualify. It's sad that we are poaching nursing staff from Africa when they are probably are needed there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: It's sad that we are poaching nursing staff from Africa when they are probably are needed there. I have some sympathy with this view (although I’m not sure “poaching” is the correct term) - however, it does beg the question: what would be your solution to the current nurse staffing crisis, if the “overseas” door was closed? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: however, it does beg the question: what would be your solution to the current nurse staffing crisis, if the “overseas” door was closed? The staffing crisis in the NHS is as a result of the UK Government’s policy decision to make trainee nurses pay the tuition fees for their nursing degrees, together with making trainee nurses pay for their own living costs whilst working in NHS hospitals as part of their training. Trainee nurses graduate with £50,000 debt. And then add in a decade of “austerity” for them, and funnily enough most people don’t want to enter the nursing profession. The crisis is easily solved, but the solution is expensive. I bet if we paid nurses’ student loans for them we’d attract more nurses from the UK. But instead we seem to follow the Tory policy of paying nurses fuck all then wondering why nobody wants to do it. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: The staffing crisis in the NHS is as a result of the UK Government’s policy decision to make trainee nurses pay the tuition fees for their nursing degrees, together with making trainee nurses pay for their own living costs whilst working in NHS hospitals as part of their training. Trainee nurses graduate with £50,000 debt. And then add in a decade of “austerity” for them, and funnily enough most people don’t want to enter the nursing profession. This is certainly the cause - it’s the reason that we are where we are now. 7 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: The crisis is easily solved, but the solution is expensive. I bet if we paid nurses’ student loans for them we’d attract more nurses from the UK This might be a solution for a few years down the road (assuming that the students came here to study and also stayed to work) - but doesn’t help right now; which brings me back to my original query - how to deal with the current crisis if employing overseas nurses was not possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Jarndyce said: I have some sympathy with this view (although I’m not sure “poaching” is the correct term) - however, it does beg the question: what would be your solution to the current nurse staffing crisis, if the “overseas” door was closed? Yes I questioned that myself. What is the appropriate word? I suppose the UK should be training its own staff and also helping other countries too. Isn't it supposed to be one of the world's largest economies? Cuba really has 'transformed' its health care so that most cases are dealt with in primary setting. We are still talking about it years later. https://www.improvingphc.org/cuba-health-workforce#:~:text=As a result%2C Cuba has,Latin America and Africa3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said: It's sad that we are poaching nursing staff from Africa when they are probably are needed there. a few hundred years ago we were poaching whole countries from the natives , asking a few of them to move in with us now seems like a nice gesture. Edited April 2, 2023 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 36 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: Cuba really has 'transformed' its health care so that most cases are dealt with in primary setting. We are still talking about it years later Maybe Charters & Quayle should have gone to Cuba instead of NZ… 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Ringy Rose said: The staffing crisis in the NHS is as a result of the UK Government’s policy decision to make trainee nurses pay the tuition fees for their nursing degrees, together with making trainee nurses pay for their own living costs whilst working in NHS hospitals as part of their training. Trainee nurses graduate with £50,000 debt. And then add in a decade of “austerity” for them, and funnily enough most people don’t want to enter the nursing profession. The crisis is easily solved, but the solution is expensive. I bet if we paid nurses’ student loans for them we’d attract more nurses from the UK. But instead we seem to follow the Tory policy of paying nurses fuck all then wondering why nobody wants to do it. But we don’t follow Uk as nurses being accepted onto nurse training courses here don’t have to pay or incur student debt & also get a bursary if I think £5k pa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Jarndyce said: Maybe Charters & Quayle should have gone to Cuba instead of NZ… I have been there. Education and health are great. It's a matter of how the government chooses to spend your money. And developing a culture that appreciates education and health as priorities. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said: 4 hours ago, Jarndyce said: Maybe Charters & Quayle should have gone to Cuba instead of NZ… I have been there. Education and health are great. It's a matter of how the government chooses to spend your money. And developing a culture that appreciates education and health as priorities. I agree. However, I suspect that, if our very own Chuckle Brothers had gone there, the outcome for our health service here would have been no different - the trip would just have cost less for the taxpayer. I can see them both now: Charters in his “Castro” army fatigues and a big cigar, Quayle in a “Graham Greene” crumpled white suit and Panama hat, “fact-finding” in the fleshpots and casinos on behalf of the Great Manx Public…allegedly… Edited April 2, 2023 by Jarndyce “allegedly” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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