IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[2112]

2 hours ago, Roxanne said:

I would have expected that Allinson, with his previous experience of Health, would have recognised this as a serious report and would have done something more than to pass it on to the Minister in charge who was one of the main players in the bullying culture. Allinson knew. They all knew. He should have done better.

Allinson experienced with health? Possibly as a GP, but I would argue he is hardly superstar GP. Adequate yes, but from experience very few fill me with confidence. Allinson likes to express his socialist principles. The treatment of RR wasn’t nice, was thoroughly unpleasant and some aspects are possibly illegal. Perhaps his socialist principles and morals need to be put into practice? Before any IOMG cheerleaders start calling, other MHKs and MLCs who had any scruples, may wish to voice their concerns. Let’s face it, they were quick to complain about Rob Callister.

Perhaps IOMG should introduce a law where if you know about bullying etc you have to report it, and there is a duty. 

Edited May 4, 2023 by 2112

[Andy Onchan]

1 hour ago, hampsterkahn said:

The analysis from Gov. will now be  tortious and self-defensive.

No prize  for the first to say “Lessons will be Learnt”

A root cause, I would venture was the lack of something massively  important but also so common, so fundamental and just so commonplace that it is ignored, under- valued and by the minister of the time publicly denounced as unnecessary and  old fashioned to the point of derision. 

It is communication, but more specifically conversation -  face to face discussion.

The seeds of this failure were sown by thinking that a CEO can be appointed and be effective if they who live somewhere else.It was further compounded by the minister ( echoed by his successor) supporting this as a good thing - indeed something  modern to be embraced.

Zoom sessions followed with moon- faced images and poor sound added  to the lack of communication skills  of the CEO at the time,Ms Magson the minister Mr Ashford and the medical officer Dr E. 

This was made worse by the imposition of a restricted channel of communication to the minister only via the the CEO who was  physically absent.

Effective human conversation - that is normal ie the MkI, eyeball to eyeball, is  complex and only  part of that is verbal.

Would, In the earliest stages, “My office, now everyone.We talk about this and sort it out” have averted much of this?

This fundamental compounded the other weaknesses   - lack of insight, forethought and imagination.

We should expect that those with power and responsibility should have those qualities.  The sort of thing that makes someone reflect: 

” Hang on, where is this all going? How is this going to end?”

- and have enough practical  common sense, even if lacking the humility, to change their course of action.
 

 

 

For me what it does go to prove is that Ashford & COMIN should NEVER, EVER have allowed the health CEO to be based off-island.

Many of us on this forum at the time Magson was appointed expressed the view that it's not possible to run a dept as complex as DHSC (even without a pandemic). Much of the role centred around Nobles but that is is only one part of a bigger operation.

And quite why COMIN are persisting with the Director of Public Health to do the same is beyond belief.   

[Andy Onchan]

34 minutes ago, La Colombe said:

It's a poem. 

And annoyingly it doesn't rhyme! 😁

[La Colombe]

The meter is a bit dodgy too. 

[rachomics]

43 minutes ago, 2112 said:

On the whole I fully support your post, however, Dr Ranson was prior to appointment to DHSC was an experienced Medical Administrator. What is more needed as opposed to more civil servants and pen pushers, are frontline nurses, doctors and medical consultants. Sadly there are too many issues and petty politics involved. The saga regarding the anaesthetic staff who were hauled before the courts, hasn’t helped to bring medical staff to the island. You can understand if the BMA advise their members to give the IOMG a wide berth.

I'm not sure you understand the role of the Medical Director. Hospital consultants need/have line managers too. 

[Banker]

16 minutes ago, rachomics said:

I'm not sure you understand the role of the Medical Director. Hospital consultants need/have line managers too. 

Do you think the BMA would report Magson to whichever health authority she is working for now,  know BMA can’t take action directly against her as not medically qualified 

[John Wright]

2 minutes ago, Banker said:

Do you think the BMA would report Magson to whichever health authority she is working for now,  know BMA can’t take action directly against her as not medically qualified 

There is nothing to stop anyone, from CoMin, any MHK/MLC, Dr Ranson, anyone on here, the wider Manx public from sending.

[Banker]

2 minutes ago, John Wright said:

There is nothing to stop anyone, from CoMin, any MHK/MLC, Dr Ranson, anyone on here, the wider Manx public from sending.

Possibly but may have a lot more influence if BMA wrote & hopefully got her removed 

[piebaps]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

There is nothing to stop anyone, from CoMin, any MHK/MLC, Dr Ranson, anyone on here, the wider Manx public from sending.

Whoooaaa there. Someone on here doing anything other than firing anonymous cheapshots? That'll be a new thing.

[Harry Lamb]

2 hours ago, La Colombe said:

It's a poem. 

No rhyme nor reason, though

[Holte End]

2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

For me what it does go to prove is that Ashford & COMIN should NEVER, EVER have allowed the health CEO to be based off-island.

Many of us on this forum at the time Magson was appointed expressed the view that it's not possible to run a dept as complex as DHSC (even without a pandemic). Much of the role centred around Nobles but that is is only one part of a bigger operation.

And quite why COMIN are persisting with the Director of Public Health to do the same is beyond belief.   

"Actually she will still be working full-time. I think that if you have to have a chief executive physically here, physically present, sat in an office five days a week, then there is something fundamentally wrong if they have to micromanage to that extent the Department and there is something wrong with the rest of our senior management team."

What a wonderful answer David Ashford gave. 

[CallMeCurious]

3 hours ago, The Phantom said:

I think the initial quote for the bridges was about £1.5m.  Realistically double that due to twatting about, incompetence and backhanders and you get £3m - RR's payout.  

Maybe we just have to accept that we either have infrastructure or tribunal pay-offs. 

So government costs were £900k to lose a case for £3.2m and RR costs were £36k? Or to put it another way RR's lawyer was 28 times more cost effective. No doubt all down to someone in the government trying desperately to 'win' to cover up the mess that caused the situation in the first place.

And now they are looking for another £10m only a month after they got the 2023/24 budget. I wonder if it would have been more like £5.9m without the RR debacle? Maybe that's all Treasury should give them if anything at all. Presumably this money isn't coming out of the departments insurance. 

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by CallMeCurious

[John Wright]

8 minutes ago, CallMeCurious said:

So government costs were £900k to lose a case for £3.2m and RR costs were £36k? Or to put it another way RR's lawyer was 28 times more cost effective. No doubt all down to someone in the government trying desperately to 'win' to cover up the mess that caused the situation in the first place.

And now they are looking for another £10m only a month after they got the 2023/24 budget. I wonder if it would have been more like £5.9m without the RR debacle? Maybe that's all Treasury should give them if anything at all. Presumably this money isn't coming out of the departments insurance. 

 

Where are you getting £36,000 from. She has only been awarded 70% of her costs of the liability hearing, and no costs of the quantum hearing. So she (BMA)  will have to pay 30% on liability and 100% on quantum costs. Quantum costs included expensive  medical experts and actuaries/pension/loss of earnings experts.

Early on her husband did much of her legal work. No idea of her total costs but £1m all in won’t be far out, so, perhaps 70% of the liability hearing maybe £500,000.

Don't forget, her opening gambit on quantum was north of £6m. So by spending £900,000 you could say they’ve saved £3m.

[Broadcasterman]

2 hours ago, John Wright said:

There is nothing to stop anyone, from CoMin, any MHK/MLC, Dr Ranson, anyone on here, the wider Manx public from sending.

And people should be encouraged to do exactly that. 

[NoTailT]

I have it on good authority that Alf is to resign in the coming weeks.