cissolt Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 minute ago, The Voice of Reason said: Not really when you see that I mentioned the persecution of gays in my post. Comparing the persecution of homesexuals, which is truly shameful, to the needless deaths of 112 Manx residents? Governments decision to ignore medical advice and not close the borders has cost island residents loved ones, caused untold suffering and cost the economy a hundred million at least. But yes, just like the persecution of the homosexuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Just now, cissolt said: Comparing the persecution of homesexuals, which is truly shameful, to the needless deaths of 112 Manx residents? Which I didn’t. Your accusation is shameful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said: In short, they’ll only act: ‘In the event of a fundamental breakdown in public order or of the rule of law,. If all else fails it’s up to us to create that if we don’t agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Satan666 said: I don’t think anything of them (possibly a sweeping statement I know) want to rock the boat. No MHKs appear revolutionary and really challenge age old workings. Same for Civil Servants too, when they start off and want to change things for the better they all just get beaten down by the system. In the end, we just bumble along and have a few hiccups on the way, never really getting anywhere. Who determines the 'system' and who is in charge of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmanxpilot Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: If all else fails it’s up to us to create that if we don’t agree. Technically correct, but a tad extreme 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Just now, Gladys said: Who determines the 'system' and who is in charge of it? I’m guessing but probably the ones high up the train approaching retirement station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 What I find most shocking about this whole affair is that people are actually surprised by the actions of our government! This kind of thing happens all the time, our government have all the resources of the island's infrastructure and manpower at their disposal, they act like the Mafia and even kill people, or at least drive them to the point of suicide! You only have to go back to what they did to the Attorney General when he wouldn't toe the police line! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Satan666 said: I’m guessing but probably the ones high up the train approaching retirement station. It's more culture. The system may allow that culture, so fix it. But those perpetuating the culture are not going to be able. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said: Technically correct, but a tad extreme 😂 All change is catalyzed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Just now, Max Power said: You only have to go back to what they did to the Attorney General when he wouldn't toe the police line! Please remind us of that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Just now, Gladys said: It's more culture. The system may allow that culture, so fix it. But those perpetuating the culture are not going to be able. Very true. But to change culture in any business or organisation, the person at the top has to recognise that need and then genuinely live and breath a new approach, not just stick up some words on a bulletin. They have to bring their whole team on for the ride and accept that not all of them will survive. Changing any culture can take 3 or 4 years to truely achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gladys said: Please remind us of that situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddey Dhoo Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Gladys said: It should be without limit. Offshore may be right, the UK government should be involved. Aware of the possibility but know nothing of the basis or process. Sir JM & Robin O'Connor to the rescue! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 49 minutes ago, madmanxpilot said: Answering my own question I suppose, but the circumstances where the UK would get involved in the governance of the Crown Dependencies are detailed in this House of Commons paper on the UK’s relationship with the Crown Dependencies. It seems the bar is set fairly high. Pages 21 &22 on Good Government: In short, they’ll only act: ‘In the event of a fundamental breakdown in public order or of the rule of law, endemic corruption in the government or the judiciary or other extreme circumstance’. they should be on the next boat then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 minute ago, WTF said: they should be on the next boat then. Literally. Quote endemic corruption in the government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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