IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[offshoremanxman]

36 minutes ago, piebaps said:

I'm struggling here. Dr R complained to the Tribunal in April 2021 which is 6 months before Alf became CM. Its hardly his watch.

 

Then again he was technically your boss then!

[Roger Mexico]

50 minutes ago, piebaps said:

I'm struggling here. Dr R complained to the Tribunal in April 2021 which is 6 months before Alf became CM. Its hardly his watch.

Well apart from the fact he was Treasury Minister during the whole time Ranson was employed, an awful lot of the things being criticised, such as the pointless appeals, did happen when he was Chief Minister and he seems to have to been involved in some of those decisions. 

But even ignoring that, nearly a year ago he was making promises that there would be sweeping changes in civil service culture, when all that has actually happened is more committees and more thinking about bringing in yet more advisers.  Saying you're going to change things by going on exactly the same as before, but more so, isn't really convincing.

[Ham_N_Eggs]

51 minutes ago, piebaps said:

I'm struggling here. Dr R complained to the Tribunal in April 2021 which is 6 months before Alf became CM. Its hardly his watch.

 

He "advised" the DHSC to appeal against the tribunal result causing more delay and anguish for Ranson.

[WTF]

58 minutes ago, piebaps said:

I'm struggling here. Dr R complained to the Tribunal in April 2021 which is 6 months before Alf became CM. Its hardly his watch.

 

he's the one holding the carpet up after the fact and telling everyone to keep sweeping.

[hampsterkahn]

 

The result - no sackings, not even critiscm leveled at these people by name by the CM and he had to be asked if he had apologised to Dr Ranson.

A very generic expression of regret and a “let’s move on” response.

Ms Magson simply left the disaster  behind her, returned  to her previous employ from where she had been seconded and was able to refuse to have anything to do with the tribunal.

If she carries no responsibility, could the seconding NHS  Trust who  effectively “supplied her”  to us  on the basis of their  endorsement  - their previous assessment, appointment and subsequent performance reviews as being suitable   for the position be held responsible? 

[Gladys]

22 minutes ago, hampsterkahn said:

 

The result - no sackings, not even critiscm leveled at these people by name by the CM and he had to be asked if he had apologised to Dr Ranson.

A very generic expression of regret and a “let’s move on” response.

Ms Magson simply left the disaster  behind her, returned  to her previous employ from where she had been seconded and was able to refuse to have anything to do with the tribunal.

If she carries no responsibility, could the seconding NHS  Trust who  effectively “supplied her”  to us  on the basis of their  endorsement  - their previous assessment, appointment and subsequent performance reviews as being suitable   for the position be held responsible? 

Have wondered that myself on and off, depends on the terms I suppose.  They would say she was under DHSC control also. 

[Roger Mexico]

The Guardian has now picked up on the story and Cannan's 'apology'.  Among other things it points out that this is the largest settlement in a whistleblowing case that the BMA had ever been involved in.

Cannan's statement is now available online and it's worth looking at what he said in this paragraph:

The Council of Ministers recognises that this matter needs to be addressed but also recognises that this is not a straightforward matter.  It is an area which requires specialist legal knowledge. I can therefore inform you today that the Council of Ministers intends to recommend to Tynwald that a further independent assessment needs to be undertaken of the Department’s management of the Tribunal process and that an appropriate independent senior member of the Bar is most likely needed to undertake this work. It is clear that the majority of the tribunal’s criticisms focus on the conduct of the Department during the liability hearing and this will need to be the key focus of any inquiry.

Clearly he's trying to ignore what went on during the appeals and the run up to the remedy hearings because that will clearly implicate himself and others currently in place.  But both need examining, if only because of the similar attitudes and incompetence shown.

[Roxanne]

10 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Among other things it points out that this is the largest settlement in a whistleblowing case that the BMA had ever been involved in.

Look on the bright side. We came first in something.

(Too soon?)

[Roger Mexico]

1 minute ago, Roxanne said:

Look on the bright side. We came first in something.

(Too soon?)

The DfE have probably already sent out the jubilant press release.

[Non-Believer]

Let's hope that they're equally jubilant when the waiting time to see a medical professional/consultant/specialist trebles for Manx residents because nobody in the profession wants to work here for fear of reputational, career or health damages. Copies of the Guardian and the BMJ will doubtless have reached every corner of the UK by now.

The health of IoM individuals is being sacrificed at the altar of political and CS vanity and corruption.

Edited May 9, 2023 by Non-Believer
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[Banker]

Wannenburgh not impressed by Alf

[x-in-man]

Kicking into the long grass and covering it up - it's what IOM Gov do the best.

Lord knows, they can do feck all else.

The Isle of Man has the longest grass and lumpiest carpets in the world.

 

 

[Blade Runner]

Look on the bright side, now the island is known for having the biggest pay-out to a wrongfully dismissed employee you are now more likely to attract more people willing to work on the rock for your "government"

Especially the type looking for pay-outs, you know the serial type claimant's you see in the papers......

Surprised Relocate IOM are not already pushing this.................

[Two-lane]

8 hours ago, Roxanne said:

Allinson’s no better. He tried it at the public meeting after the flood and I ripped the arse out of him.

I was also at that meeting. I saw that Allinson seated himself with the men in suits, and not with the people with problems. It was obvious where his allegiance lay. He spent an eternity saying nothing more than "Sorry" and "I'll get the trees pulled out of the river". I left after his speech - for me, it was just another nail in his reputational coffin.

The mood on the forum may be a bit sombre at the moment, but I have a request - if you intend to do a bit of public arse-ripping in the future, would you post a message here beforehand? I live in Ramsey where life is tedious - watching arse-ripping is pretty high on the list of things worth doing, but we don't get to see it too often.

[Holte End]

3 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

He "advised" the DHSC to appeal against the tribunal result causing more delay and anguish for Ranson.

Not what he said in Keys, he didn't advise the DHSC to appeal, he stated it wasn't his call, it was up to the Department and it's members.  

Edited May 9, 2023 by Holte End