Gladys Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, asitis said: Thats no way to speak of HQ and DA ! A great pair of tits. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Grumpy Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, Gladys said: That is where the oddity lies, why would two people with completely different roles and qualifications have any jealousy between them? Neither could do the job of the other, so where would the jealousy, or covetousness, arise? Could they have been competing for Ashford's attentions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dr. Grumpy said: Could they have been competing for Ashford's attentions? They don't look the Draculas Maidens types tbh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dr. Grumpy said: Could they have been competing for Ashford's attentions? Well, it is possible in a professional sense, but if the proposed structure of Manx Care was clear, their roles would have not been in competition. If it is in any other sense, there ain't enough rohipnol...... 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Boris Johnson said: How many died because we got started jabbing people in the arm late because of this? Well it would be a maximum of four, which is the number that died of Covid in the Spring when at the same time the UK actually had by far its worst number of deaths. We were protected by strict control of the borders and the Manx public taking lockdown seriously. Even if the incompetence of the government over the Steam Packet staff meant that we had an outbreak, it was suppressed fairly quickly. In reality I suspect the delay of a few weeks didn't make much difference but it would have done if those demanding open borders had been listened to. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Whats unseemly is the apparent way, according to Mrs Ranson, there was squabbling bewtween the Acting CEO of DHSC ( with no medical qualifications ) and the Medical Director DHSC ( and designated Medical Director Manx Care ( with medical qualifications ). A phenomenon replicated across the CS with chippy administrators often earning less than the actual experts who are better paid and resenting it furiously. Any chance to display control taken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Augustus said: Whats unseemly is the apparent way, according to Mrs Ranson, there was squabbling bewtween the Acting CEO of DHSC ( with no medical qualifications ) and the Medical Director DHSC ( and designated Medical Director Manx Care ( with medical qualifications ). A phenomenon replicated across the CS with chippy administrators often earning less than the actual experts who are better paid and resenting it furiously. Any chance to display control taken. Does seem strange that the CEO claims MD was jealous, a bit pathetic when MD would have been on twice money CEO was on and once the tempt CEO was gone MD could have applied for CEO role if she wanted it. Looks like MD has Qualifications and Experience to be DHSC CEO. Reading the reports, director of Human Resources sounds like she needs binning due to incompetence. Magson and all senior managers that let the mobbing of the MD should have to pay the compensation which will be given to MD out of their own pockets. Could the tax payers sue them to repay us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gladys said: That is where the oddity lies, why would two people with completely different roles and qualifications have any jealousy between them? Neither could do the job of the other, so where would the jealousy, or covetousness, arise? Because for a certain sort of 'manager' the important thing is that they are in charge and everyone does what they are told. Listening to contrary advice once they have made their decision would be a sign of weakness. If things go wrong it will always be someone else's fault. The only thing that is important is that they are in control, not what the results of that control are. In this case, it wasn't even really mainly a medical matter that was a cause of the disagreement over vaccines, but a procedural and legal one which Ranson clearly knew about but but Magson chose not to ask for her help and hoped to steam-roller through anyway. Ranson (and the Chief Nurse and Pharmacist) refused. Still at least we now know what Ashford was babbling about at the time - even if he clearly didn't. Edited January 31, 2022 by Roger Mexico Lost line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Because for a certain sort of 'manager' the important thing is that they are in charge and everyone does what they are told. Listening to contrary advice once they have made their decision would be a sign of weakness. If things go wrong it will always be someone else's fault. The only thing that is important is that they are in control, not what the results of that control are. In this case, it wasn't even really mainly a medical matter that was a cause of the disagreement over vaccines, but a procedural and legal one which Ranson clearly knew about but but Magson chose not to ask for her help and hoped to steam-roller through anyway. Ranson (and the Chief Nurse and Pharmacist) refused. Still at least we now know what Ashford was babbling about at the time - even if he clearly didn't. I 'got' the indemnity issue and it was right to be sure that was properly bottomed out. The astonishing thing is that an administrator (and that is what Mrs Magson is despite her high level) didn't see that. The other odd thing is, from the reports, that Mrs M said the reason for not attending the Tribunal in person was childcare arrangements. But she also acknowledged that she may be open to contempt charges if she did. There were also comments from Dr Ranson's lawyers regarding disclosure. From a spectator's view it all seems a bit murky, but no doubt there will be a fulsome point by point rebuttal. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Gladys said: but no doubt there will be a fulsome point by point rebuttal ... aren't we still waiting for another one of those ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 So Magson obviously knew when the tribunal was going to take place. I have no experience of these things, but my guess is that it is much better to physically be there to have immediate communication with the lawyers etc. But Magson, high level manager, a person who thrives on accountability and taking bold decisions, did not have the forethought to arrange childcare so that she could attend. Well, I am not one for jumping to conclusions, but in this case I might make an exception. 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, buncha wankas said: Does seem strange that the CEO claims MD was jealous, a bit pathetic when MD would have been on twice money CEO was on and once the tempt CEO was gone MD could have applied for CEO role if she wanted it. Looks like MD has Qualifications and Experience to be DHSC CEO. Reading the reports, director of Human Resources sounds like she needs binning due to incompetence. Magson and all senior managers that let the mobbing of the MD should have to pay the compensation which will be given to MD out of their own pockets. Could the tax payers sue them to repay us? I doubt that MD would be on twice CEO salary of c£125k ie £250k! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, asitis said: ... aren't we still waiting for another one of those ? No, it was given to the PAC, apparently, but not so as you would notice. It was a stealth rebuttal. Clever eh? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Banker said: I doubt that MD would be on twice CEO salary of c£125k ie £250k! An MD wouldn’t be far off £160k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Grumpy Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Banker said: I doubt that MD would be on twice CEO salary of c£125k ie £250k! You may be surprised. I was gobsmacked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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