doc.fixit Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 2 hours ago, ballaughbiker said: That would be a perversion ... It would stop the rattle! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Numbnuts said: Totally this. Most banks and big financial institutions now have fully independent secure and encrypted portal based whistle blowing portals where things can be sent and investigated by independent teams. I can’t see why IOM government cannot bring something like this in to allow things to be dealt with properly by independent people used to investigating these sort of things. It’s been needed for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Most banks and big financial institutions now have fully independent secure and encrypted portal based whistle blowing portals where things can be sent and investigated by independent teams. I can’t see why IOM government cannot bring something like this in to allow things to be dealt with properly by independent people used to investigating these sort of things. It’s been needed for years. And let the minions find out about so much dodgy dealings. Look at whats happened over RR . Yes your so right it has been needed for years but wouldn't it be nice for it not to be needed because the powers that be weren't embroiled in it all too…In my situation they were . Edited May 14, 2023 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mhk-demands-select-committee-be-set-up-to-review-govt-handling-of-ranson-case/ ""Members have to be really careful we're not being side-lined with a pseudo-independent investigation", says Claire Christian " So far as I understand things, she wants a Select Committee to be formed of Tynwald members. She does not want the MHKs to be sidelined, but she wants them to be at the centre of an investigation. [In the quote above, does she mean sidelined, or does she mean, perhaps, sidetracked?] I think that sidelining the MHKs would be a good idea when it comes to analysing this affair. I also think that an investigation should be instigated by the UK government. Any investigation comprising MHKs, MLCs, or the AG's office will inevitably be pseudo-independent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Two-lane said: office will inevitably be pseudo-independent. I have been applying a coat of that Pseudo- independence to a breeze block wall today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 If any investigation takes place it must not be conducted by Tynwald and its members. If my experience of a Government enquiry by a Tynwald Committee is an indicator, senior officials will just lie and MHKs who have no idea how to investigate and question, or don’t have any interest in establishing any truth outside their own agendas, will just lap it up. As I said before, our political system and its representatives can’t be trusted to do the right thing or look for proper reform. The evidence is here, there and everywhere, for those who want to see it. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, joebean said: If my experience of a Government enquiry by a Tynwald Committee is an indicator, senior officials will just lie and MHKs who have no idea how to investigate and question, or don’t have any interest in establishing any truth outside their own agendas, will just lap it up. “ senior officials will just lie…” Thats quite some accusation. You say that’s your experience, ( rather than say your perception) No doubt you have the necessary evidence to support your statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: “ senior officials will just lie…” Thats quite some accusation. You say that’s your experience, ( rather than say your perception) No doubt you have the necessary evidence to support your statement. It's utter rubbish as we all know they're all holier than thou! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: “ senior officials will just lie…” Thats quite some accusation. You say that’s your experience, ( rather than say your perception) No doubt you have the necessary evidence to support your statement. I would hazard a guess that what the head of the BMA had to say about Govt and CS culture here backs it up pretty well 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 Together with the conclusion of the recent enquiry, the previous enquiry and enquiry before that. This has to go to someone completely independent and off Island. There's no other way if we have any chance of effecting any kind of change. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha-acid Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Roxanne said: Together with the conclusion of the recent enquiry, the previous enquiry and enquiry before that. This has to go to someone completely independent and off Island. There's no other way if we have any chance of effecting any kind of change. I agree, an on Island investigation is to put mildly incestuous 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 12 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: However it is worth checking whether the PA booking facility has been (re-)enabled if you haven't recently. As I said they all seem to have stopped it during Covid (for obvious reasons) but may be gradually reintroducing them. I've already checked Peel Medical Centre. No appointments can be booked on PA - unless they're F2F follow ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Minister Julie Edge MHK is the latest politico to add their two pennerth in, in the aftermath of the RR tribunal. On the NPM she says government workers must be held to account for failings. I’m the RR tribunal many people, both political and civil servant were heavily criticised but other than resignations, nothing much happened. Government are scared of taking action, for fear of possible legal action (tribunal) and union activity. Furthermore she says that blame shouldn’t always fall on politicians - a lame excuse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 4 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: “ senior officials will just lie…” Thats quite some accusation. You say that’s your experience, ( rather than say your perception) No doubt you have the necessary evidence to support your statement. Listening to three senior officials say something that I absolutely knew to be untrue. Based on actual experience, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, joebean said: Listening to three senior officials say something that I absolutely knew to be untrue. Based on actual experience, yes. OK thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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