The Voice of Reason Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, Two-lane said: Either the points in question are serious, or they are trivial. If they are serious, Hooper should not be prattling about them on Twitter or Facebook - there should be a response from the Chief Minister. If they are trivial, Hooper is being a prat for mentioning them. Well it seems Twitter is the way for politicians to communicate these days. Look at the recent Raab case across and the detailst contained in his tweets ( sent and received) Hooper only spoke in generalities, he didn’t disclose the substance of the points in question. So Idont really think you can hang him for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Ashford is denying any responsibility for anything to do with the case. He tried to change things from within apparently. Man's a legend in his own mind. What an utter turd. Ashford not you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Steve_Christian said: I don’t agree with your view. I believe he’s acting with integrity. However change is difficult and perhaps staying within a department may be the best way to effect change. But that’s just my opinion. Right now it’s difficult for any politician to do anything right as trust has been eroded. He’s another shallow granny farmer with no backbone and he’s just seen his exit route from any accountability for the absolute embarrassing shit show he currently sits in at the DOI. Will he be handling any of his £70k salary back in consideration for his future risk-free status? No thought not. Edited May 16, 2023 by offshoremanxman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Hooper only spoke in generalities, he didn’t disclose the substance of the points in question. So Idont really think you can hang him for that. Well actually you can. If the head of a professional organisation makes serious allegations about the way your organisation is run, based on what the members are telling him, and all you can say in response is that it isn't all true, without saying what bits aren't or why they aren't , then no one is going to be convinced. He didn't even promise a point-by-point rebuttal. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Steve_Christian said: Because it’s been clearly highlighted that the culture and issues are government-wide and not just within DHSC. But surely if you have the balls, you can better influence things from within than without. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongoose-Man Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Well actually you can. If the head of a professional organisation makes serious allegations about the way your organisation is run, based on what the members are telling him, and all you can say in response is that it isn't all true, without saying what bits aren't or why they aren't , then no one is going to be convinced. He didn't even promise a point-by-point rebuttal. It’s not for the Minister to rebut, it’s for the BMA to substantiate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Where can we find a recording of today's proceedings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: But surely if you have the balls, you can better influence things from within than without. This is true and what is invariably trotted out, Stu Peters (on here) most recently. But in light of the situation that we now find ourselves in, what beneficial change has previously been effected from within to get us here? Stu's edict within days of being elected in 2021 was of how long and how difficult it would be to change anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Dalby Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mongoose-Man said: It’s not for the Minister to rebut, it’s for the BMA to substantiate. Precisely, if the BMA are using the word corruption they need to provide evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said: 1 hour ago, Steve_Christian said: Because it’s been clearly highlighted that the culture and issues are government-wide and not just within DHSC. That’s bollocks though. Let’s be honest he resigned as he’s shat his pants at being on a department in this environment. That’s all. Aren't you actually saying the same thing? That there's no point in being a Departmental Member - or possibly even a Minister - if the governmental culture is so toxic and the ability to change things so lacking. As to still retaining the £70k that's the point. The whole idea of the salary being unaffected by being a DM was so that DMs could resign and/or vote against the Department on principle without losing about a quarter of their salary. It was to give Tynwald greater power over the Executive, not that they seem to used it much up to now. Edited May 16, 2023 by Roger Mexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Dalby Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Happier diner said: But surely if you have the balls, you can better influence things from within than without. You might be over-estimating Tim Glover’s capabilities here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Aren't you actually saying the same thing? That there's no point in being a Departmental Member - or possibly even a Minister - if the governmental culture is so toxic and the ability to change things so lacking. I don’t think we are as Stevie is saying he’s brave for doing it whereas I’m saying that he’s only done it as he’s crapped himself and he hasn’t got the guts for the fight. I don’t think people should be rewarded for that with a cushy job accountable for nothing. If Glover is concerned then he should make public what whistleblowing he is aware of at the DOI and what specific matters relating to bad culture has he been dealing, or is aware of, at the DOI. Otherwise he looks an absolute tit for resigning over something that happened in a completely different department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) With all this going on I think many people have missed the really important stuff at least the leader of The Manx Labour Party is going to ask a question about Bus fares - read the fucking room Joney, read the fucking room....................... Edited May 16, 2023 by Mr Helmut Fromage Sausage fingers 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Tim Glover showing himself to be a good stone thrower but , as like most MHK's, not capable of shouldering responsibility or turning things around 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said: With all this going on I think many people have missed the really important stuff at least the leader of The Manx Labour Party is going to ask a question about Bus fares - read the fucking room Joney, read the fucking room....................... She's cute though! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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