Two-lane Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Daphne Caine, Sarah Maltby and Stu Peters 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Gladys said: My point was that they really have not read the room and think that doing 'something' will fix it. “Politician’s Syllogism”, innit? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Two-lane said: Daphne Caine, Sarah Maltby and Stu Peters Thanks. Just hope there is one for, one against and a persuaded fence sitter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) What is the verdict on the 'post Magson/Malone regime'? Are things on the up in DHSC culture wise with Cope? She has been publicly quiet on the Ranson case but that is somewhat understandable as it was before her time and with the heavy political entanglement of the affair. Edited May 27, 2023 by Mercenary Wrong name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Just now, Mercenary said: What is the verdict on the 'post Magson/Quine regime'? Are things on the up in DHSC culture wise with Cope? She has been publicly quiet on the Ranson case but that is somewhat understandable as it was before her time and with the heavy political entanglement of the affair. Well, the overheard conversation was a few days ago, and it is the culture within Manx Care, not DHSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 It's a bit unfair to infer that Daphne Caine, personally, got 40 mil quid. It was for a Govt scheme of climate change! Certainly it could change but that would be down to Govt savings. Caine is probably the least likely to allow interference in the opinion she will give on this committee? Maltby has the MLP to guide her input and Peters has nothing to lose by being a thorn in Cannans side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Kopek said: It's a bit unfair to infer that Daphne Caine, personally, got 40 mil quid. It was for a Govt scheme of climate change! Certainly it could change but that would be down to Govt savings. Caine is probably the least likely to allow interference in the opinion she will give on this committee? Maltby has the MLP to guide her input and Peters has nothing to lose by being a thorn in Cannans side? That's an optimistic view. Perhaps the right thing to do as head of Climate Change would be to hand the money back and say better use of that would be to help householders transition and give grants for insulation, etc. Let's just see what the more groundbreaking changes we should adopt. MLP doesn't seem to do anything useful unless it it is selling house clearance tat on FB. Stu has nothing to lose, as you say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, rachomics said: But, given my experience, I stand by "backbenchers become ministers". ....but would you want to vote for an MHK who did not have the ambition to rise up the ranks? Most candidates say that they want to ''make a change'', ''to be part of the scrutiny of the Govt''!.... and who would want hear anything less from these candidates? The new basic wage makes it easier for MHKs to criticise their Dept without fear of a loss of money, sure they may be fired from that dept but there is not the 'Patronage' there was before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 The Govt gave MUA some 29 million to alleviate bills, they didn't use it but they haven't given it back!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Mercenary said: Are things on the up in DHSC culture wise with Cope? 45 minutes ago, Gladys said: Well, the overheard conversation was a few days ago, and it is the culture within Manx Care, not DHSC. Ah, yes: but Teresa Cope is the CEO of Manx Care, not DHSC… eta: I think Stuart Quayle is still interim CEO of DHSC, since Karen Malone’s resignation. Edited May 26, 2023 by Jarndyce eta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Ah, yes: but Teresa Cope is the CEO of Manx Care, not DHSC… Think I pointed that out. But, it is more concerning that the culture is perpetuating in Manx Care. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gladys said: Think I pointed that out. Sorry, Glad - wasn’t clear to me. Mind you, tinctures have been taken…🙃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) The staff problems in our NHS are probably now within the Manx Care. so it seems to be for them to address these problems??? IE. Cope??? Edited May 26, 2023 by Kopek 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeBrew Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 8 hours ago, Kopek said: The Govt gave MUA some 29 million to alleviate bills, they didn't use it but they haven't given it back!!!! Not sure what difference that would have made to MUAs position - either way they are going to have to claw it back from current and future customers. I suppose maybe the loan would have been worse as there would be interest to pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moddey Dhoo Posted May 28, 2023 Share Posted May 28, 2023 On 5/26/2023 at 6:28 PM, Gladys said: The scope of the investigation is into the handling of the tribunal by IOMG, not the circumstances which led to it. That is a major flaw and will not throw up issues in the culture within the health service delivery (by whoever DHSC or Manx Care). As has been observed by others, the absence of any of the main (only 3!) MHK dissenters from the committee overseeing the investigation has missed a chance to affirm the intended independence of the process. Couldn't agree more. The appointment and conduct of Michaels, O'Connor, Magson, Conie and Murray need proper examination. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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