IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, StrangeBrew said:

Think it might just be Paul M that is belatedly reporting on it - I’m sure this will be the same letter Gef posted about last week: 

https://gef.im/news/politics/bma-calls-for-uk-to-lead-ranson-inquiry-35184/

It's the same letter as there are whole paragraphs that Gef quotes, which match what Moulton read out.

[wrighty]

6 hours ago, Kopek said:

Then why is it frequently reported that Nobles staff do not have the multiple experience of a situation so requiring the secondment to English facilities to gain experience or that consultants are required to be brought in to cover that lack of hands on experience???   It's great that Nobles or any Hospital can offer training facilities but where is the fail between trainers and the need for consultants???

Scale. We don’t see enough of the rarer conditions or do enough of the more specialised procedures so have to send patients across, or bring in specialists, for some things. 
 

Simply, I do plenty of primary hip replacements, and could train a more junior surgeon to do them. But I’d only see a handful of cases per year of hip revisions so send them across. 

[cheesypeas]

12 hours ago, Zulu said:

It was a training/teaching hospital in the 60's and maybe even before that. 

Girls used to join as 'pinkies' to be taught to be nurses.

 

My mother as a pinkie in 1962 on the steps of the nurses home. Ended up working in Nobles for 46 years 

 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by cheesypeas
Altered the year

[Jarndyce]

1 hour ago, cheesypeas said:

My mother as a pinkie in 1962 on the steps of the nurses home. Ended up working in Nobles for 46 years 

That’s a great picture - which one is your mother?

[The Phantom]

14 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

How long has Nobles been a training hospital?

I didn't realise either and only found out in my mid 20s to early 30s when for some reason I kept meeting and befriending trainee Docs that would come here for a year or so.  Usually they stayed up at a campus like Uni Halls of Residence up at Nobles.  @wrighty would be able to correct, but I think they usually were here in their two general training years after Medical school before they specialise and become a full Doc.  Few stayed as I think unless you want to become a GP, we can't provide the final specialisations. 

[cheesypeas]

1 hour ago, Jarndyce said:

That’s a great picture - which one is your mother?

Cheers. Furthest right. She was 15 in that photo ! 

[Jarndyce]

46 minutes ago, cheesypeas said:

1 hour ago, Jarndyce said:

That’s a great picture - which one is your mother?

Cheers. Furthest right. She was 15 in that photo ! 

Excellent, thanks.

15 - it was like an apprenticeship really, wasn’t it?

[cheesypeas]

22 minutes ago, Jarndyce said:

Excellent, thanks.

15 - it was like an apprenticeship really, wasn’t it?

Yeah. Basically do what Matron ordered or face the consequences.

[wrighty]

1 hour ago, The Phantom said:

I didn't realise either and only found out in my mid 20s to early 30s when for some reason I kept meeting and befriending trainee Docs that would come here for a year or so.  Usually they stayed up at a campus like Uni Halls of Residence up at Nobles.  @wrighty would be able to correct, but I think they usually were here in their two general training years after Medical school before they specialise and become a full Doc.  Few stayed as I think unless you want to become a GP, we can't provide the final specialisations. 

Pretty much spot on.  We have a thriving Foundation Doctor programme.  24 places, 12 F1s and 12 F2s.  In recent years it has been oversubscribed because the young doctors like working here, and they're better looked after than their counterparts in the UK. They are provided with accommodation, and your analogy with university halls of residence is apt.

Many of them stay on afterwards in 'unofficial' F3 posts and work in ED or various other departments, but it is only GP training that can be completed here - specialty training is usually centred around university teaching hospitals, but we do have some specialty trainees here on placement, particularly in Medicine (The IMT programme here was rated best in the country)

Many of us consultants are recognised educators - we have to appraise as an educator and be recognised by the GMC to do that as well as the regular day job.  We regularly meet with the people from the the Mersey training schools for quality assurance.  Personally, as well as being an educational supervisor I have in the past been the surgical tutor here for the Royal College of Surgeons, and I was a college examiner for 6 years. I taught on advanced trauma courses, and even instructed on the instructor courses.

Contrary to popular belief, not everything at Noble's is rubbish.

[2112]

Just had a good laugh this morning when I read on IOM Newspapers website, the Covid inquiry is going to cost £1.4million. CM Cannan seems very precise in his estimation, but there again IOMG estimates haven’t been their strong suit especially when you take the Liverpool Ferry Terminal fiasco into account.

[Andy Onchan]

23 hours ago, wrighty said:

Pretty much spot on.  We have a thriving Foundation Doctor programme.  24 places, 12 F1s and 12 F2s.  In recent years it has been oversubscribed because the young doctors like working here, and they're better looked after than their counterparts in the UK. They are provided with accommodation, and your analogy with university halls of residence is apt.

Many of them stay on afterwards in 'unofficial' F3 posts and work in ED or various other departments, but it is only GP training that can be completed here - specialty training is usually centred around university teaching hospitals, but we do have some specialty trainees here on placement, particularly in Medicine (The IMT programme here was rated best in the country)

Many of us consultants are recognised educators - we have to appraise as an educator and be recognised by the GMC to do that as well as the regular day job.  We regularly meet with the people from the the Mersey training schools for quality assurance.  Personally, as well as being an educational supervisor I have in the past been the surgical tutor here for the Royal College of Surgeons, and I was a college examiner for 6 years. I taught on advanced trauma courses, and even instructed on the instructor courses.

Contrary to popular belief, not everything at Noble's is rubbish.

What does DHSC/Nobles get out of this training arrangement, financially?

[John Wright]

36 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

What does DHSC/Nobles get out of this training arrangement, financially?

Cheap Body count

[wrighty]

2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

What does DHSC/Nobles get out of this training arrangement, financially?

What makes you think we get anything financially? We pay their salaries just like everyone else's. 

Medical students however are a different matter.  They do come with money.  Not sure of the exact amount but I think it's 5 figures per student per year which goes into medical education here.  

[Andy Onchan]

9 hours ago, wrighty said:

What makes you think we get anything financially? We pay their salaries just like everyone else's. 

Medical students however are a different matter.  They do come with money.  Not sure of the exact amount but I think it's 5 figures per student per year which goes into medical education here.  

I was referring to the students.

[wrighty]

7 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

I was referring to the students.

Really? You quoted my post in which I referred exclusively to junior doctors, asking what we gained financially. Perhaps you didn’t realise I was talking about qualified doctors.