IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[hampsterkahn]

2 hours ago, Roxanne said:

I too have seen similarities between the two cases, and other cases. Professionals not being listened to and managers protecting themselves and their reputation over the safety of others. 

 

There is a common theme in the manner in which medical staff and nursing staff face the threat of being reported to their  professional body,   the GMC, GNC respectively,  if they don’t do as they are told/ shut up.

Just the threat  is an effective way of intimidating staff.

All know that the professional bodies set the threshold very low in response to complaints.( quite rightly ).it will probably  will result in detailed scrutiny, probably a period of suspension whilst  a lengthy investigation  is pursued, ,loss of professional reputation  and  damage to career prospects with the ultimate fear of being rendered unemployable in their chosen profession 

In contrast, senior management are not answerable in a comparable way.

Able to leave any mess they have created behind them, they simply move on to a similar or often a more senior and lucrative post in another Health Trust 

 

[Roxanne]

1 minute ago, hampsterkahn said:

There is a common theme in the manner in which medical staff and nursing staff face the threat of being reported to their  professional body,   the GMC, GNC respectively,  if they don’t do as they are told/ shut up.

Just the threat  is an effective way of intimidating staff.

All know that the professional bodies set the threshold very low in response to complaints.( quite rightly ).it will probably  will result in detailed scrutiny, probably a period of suspension whilst  a lengthy investigation  is pursued, ,loss of professional reputation  and  damage to career prospects with the ultimate fear of being rendered unemployable in their chosen profession 

In contrast, senior management are not answerable in a comparable way.

Able to leave any mess they have created behind them, they simply move on to a similar or often a more senior and lucrative post in another Health Trust 

 

This sums it up quite perfectly.

And you should know if anyone does.

Thank you.

[hampsterkahn]

6 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

This sums it up quite perfectly.

And you should know if anyone does.

Thank you.

Not experienced it, just aware of it.

[Gladys]

I see that Prof. Banfield has a view.

[Gladys]

Wouldn't it be great if we could market our willingness to put  all the overbearing bureaucracy behind us and promise that our health service would be run  by clinicians?

Utopian I know.

[ADELE]

The problem is accountants run every aspect of everyday living, number crunching does not always give a true picture.    Figures can be manipulated to produce the outcome that is desired. Blinded by science and blinded by figures both are lethal in their own way.

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

Wouldn't it be great if we could market our willingness to put  all the overbearing bureaucracy behind us and promise that our health service would be run  by clinicians?

Utopian I know.

A good few of our politicians promised something along the lines of willingness to deal with overbearing bureaucracy at the last election.

Most of us are still waiting to see any evidence of progress, as said politicians seem to spend a lot of time justifying it now.

[asitis]

There should be a "glass ceiling", below which the CS and bureaucracy are much less involved i.e. run by a medical person A La matron type thing.

[Gladys]

15 minutes ago, asitis said:

There should be a "glass ceiling", below which the CS and bureaucracy are much less involved i.e. run by a medical person A La matron type thing.

Yes, but 'matron' would still report to a bureaucrat. 

[WTF]

33 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Yes, but 'matron' would still report to a bureaucrat. 

and tell them whats what though rather than be some bullied yes man/woman.

[Gladys]

Just now, WTF said:

and tell them whats what though rather than be some bullied yes man/woman.

You would like to think so, but isn't that more or less what we already have - medical practitioners 'managed' by bureaucrats? 

[Shake me up Judy]

There's a bit of rose-tinted nostalgia about 'matron' on here. The matron figure in many institutions was often a bully, a tyrant and a bitch, puffed up with their own power and sense of importance. We're well rid of those days.

[Non-Believer]

42 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

There's a bit of rose-tinted nostalgia about 'matron' on here. The matron figure in many institutions was often a bully, a tyrant and a bitch, puffed up with their own power and sense of importance. We're well rid of those days.

We just passed those "attributes" on to civil servants to run with instead...

[quilp]

50 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

There's a bit of rose-tinted nostalgia about 'matron' on here. The matron figure in many institutions was often a bully, a tyrant and a bitch, puffed up with their own power and sense of importance. We're well rid of those days.

 

[Roxanne]

51 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

There's a bit of rose-tinted nostalgia about 'matron' on here. The matron figure in many institutions was often a bully, a tyrant and a bitch, puffed up with their own power and sense of importance. We're well rid of those days.

That may be true, but I bet there wouldn't be an accumulation of unexplained dead babies on their watch either.