IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

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19 minutes ago, Banker said:

A first post from an anti vaxxer complaining about masks 😂

I'm not an anti vaxxer and have taken approved vaccinations previously. Just saying

[MickyL]

If there is a significant increase in COVID would it not be advisable to provide the tests for free again as £11 for a box would be difficult to find if you are only just financially making ends meet. Otherwise people can’t afford the tests and therefore it will spread until it negatively effects the people working in positions within the Islands infestructure

[Hoops]

15 minutes ago, MickyL said:

If there is a significant increase in COVID would it not be advisable to provide the tests for free again as £11 for a box would be difficult to find if you are only just financially making ends meet. Otherwise people can’t afford the tests and therefore it will spread until it negatively effects the people working in positions within the Islands infestructure

At this stage, is there any need to treat covid any differently from any other respiratory illness? Flu, covid, whatever, just consider others.

Very sceptical about masks. Are they really just performative?

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9 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The opening of the article you link to:

What the Cochrane Review Says About Masks For COVID-19 — and What It Doesn’t
By Jessica McDonald

Posted on March 16, 2023

SciCheck Digest
People online are touting the results of a Cochrane review to incorrectly claim that it shows masks “don’t work” against the coronavirus. But the primary conclusion of the review is that it’s uncertain from randomized controlled trials whether mask interventions in the community help slow the spread of respiratory illnesses.

It not only doesn't says what you say it does.  It says that it doesn't

I agree Roger, as both sets of arguments were needed so that it shows an unbiased opinion. On checking with SciCheck Digest it further says 'Lab tests, for example, show that certain masks and N95 respirators can partially block exhaled respiratory droplets or aerosols, which are thought to be the primary ways the virus spreads.'.

This information is part correct as per examples, but is insufficient and misleading as the particle size of the virus easily penetrates the masks suggested and the washing of hands would be a more effective approach than that of the masks.

The media however, is pushing the narrative that people should wear masks as well as Government departments. As we are all supposed to trust Government as they can do no wrong in some quarters, then I'll leave that decision upon others to decide, but I for one will not be wearing a mask

[Utah 01]

53 minutes ago, Sign in said:

As we are all supposed to trust Government

Never, ever again after the ruination they have brought on the entire world's economy and the overt lies, coercion and deception they were willingly prepared to inflict on their own populations.

[Utah 01]

1 hour ago, Hoops said:

At this stage, is there any need to treat covid any differently from any other respiratory illness? Flu, covid, whatever, just consider others.

None whatsoever.  The war has ended but there are thousands hiding in the jungles who still think the war is raging.

[Utah 01]

3 hours ago, Sign in said:

I'm not an anti vaxxer and have taken approved vaccinations previously. Just saying

You don't have to be an anti-vaxer (and despite what many of the COVID faithful on this forum believe, there are many, many established clinical side affects from these experimental vaccines) to appreciate the futility of masks.

[Roger Mexico]

8 hours ago, Sign in said:

I agree Roger, as both sets of arguments were needed so that it shows an unbiased opinion. On checking with SciCheck Digest it further says 'Lab tests, for example, show that certain masks and N95 respirators can partially block exhaled respiratory droplets or aerosols, which are thought to be the primary ways the virus spreads.'.

This information is part correct as per examples, but is insufficient and misleading as the particle size of the virus easily penetrates the masks suggested and the washing of hands would be a more effective approach than that of the masks.

The media however, is pushing the narrative that people should wear masks as well as Government departments. As we are all supposed to trust Government as they can do no wrong in some quarters, then I'll leave that decision upon others to decide, but I for one will not be wearing a mask

But it isn't the particle size of the virus that matters, it's the size of the droplets which are how they are transmitted.  If masking reduces the movement of those, then it reduces the movement of the virus.  And with a respiratory virus, transmitted through the air, measures that affect that are likely to be more effective that those, such as handwashing, that affect diseases passed on by contact (though in some circumstances such measures will also be useful).

And of course all such public health measures are a percentage game.  Nothing is going to guarantee complete protection for an individual, just reduce the chances of catching a disease or of passing it on to others or making the experience of the disease less severe.  Too many people seem to think that stuff is only worth doing if it gives you some sort of magical immunity, and complain because it doesn't fulfil promises it never made.  But the world doesn't work like that.

[TheTeapot]

Its punishment for the strike.

[Andy Onchan]

12 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Wrong, Manx Care officially took over on 1 April 2021.  But Cope actually started January 2021 - and fairly soon after sacked Angela Murray, so she clearly had considerable power already in the absence of Magson.  And much of the other responsibilities were shifting from then as well.

That said, DHSC certainly had some control over the process and they probably would have commissioned Professor Deakin's report on the incident that seems to have led to the attempted prosecution of the four anaesthetists.   But the real mystery here was the behaviour of the AG's Office in trying to bring such a weak case that it got thrown out at committal stage.  As I said at the time I couldn't find anything equivalent in the whole of the British Isles in the last 250 years.  As so often in Manx Government an arbitrary decision seems to have been made and those involved were determined to see it through no matter how expensive and irrational the inevitable failure would be.

The talk of missing data is worrying, but if we've learnt anything recently it's that when evidence vanishes it's usually to protect the bureaucracy.  We should know more when the inquest decision is published - if it ever is.  

Was the data shredded?

[Shake me up Judy]

Get the police in this time. After the Ranson affair, this missing medical data is serious stuff.

[Roxanne]

Just now, Shake me up Judy said:

Get the police in this time. After the Ranson affair, this missing medical data is serious stuff.

And yet, we're becoming so immune to it that the thought, on reading the revelation, is that yes, of COURSE you lost the data! 

They must think we are mad. Maybe we are.

[WTF]

7 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Get the police in this time. After the Ranson affair, this missing medical data is serious stuff.

it's not missing , it's destroyed.

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8 hours ago, Utah 01 said:

You don't have to be an anti-vaxer (and despite what many of the COVID faithful on this forum believe, there are many, many established clinical side affects from these experimental vaccines) to appreciate the futility of masks.

And it all comes back to control.

Even the European Parliament talks about masks and the choice of enslavement or freedom!  EU hearing from 3 days ago. https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=837494021107793

 

[Jarndyce]

19 minutes ago, Sign in said:

And it all comes back to control.

Even the European Parliament talks about masks and the choice of enslavement or freedom!  EU hearing from 3 days ago. https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=837494021107793

Notwithstanding Manx Care’s decision regarding masks, maybe this discussion should be continued on the IOM Covid thread.