IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[Banker]

7 hours ago, 2112 said:

The NPM (MR) reports that the Manx Labour Party (MLP) says that the community should back workers and it’s fully behind Manx workers who undertook strike action. So it’s backing Manx Workers, what about foreign workers who are Manx residents? I would add that it’s not for a political party to tell the Manx public who they should ‘back’ in an industrial dispute. Many Manx patients will be suffering, have their appointments cancelled and be languishing on a waiting list for hospital treatments - so I would imagine their views may not as supportive as others. 
 

Secondly I support the nurses wholeheartedly in the industrial action, and have said that between Manx Care and the Treasury, things have been not harmonious, and relations frayed to say the least, especially with the no money mantra. Perhaps it’s time to think outside the box and be creative, towards creating additional funding and terms and conditions? All nurses regardless of their nationality should be well renumerated (full and part time permanent members of staff I am assuming, whilet agency, and contract staff will be subject to their own agreements).
 

Thirdly whilst Joney Faragher MHK as current Manx Labour Party Leader would have crafted the press release, it must be uncomfortable for Sarah Maltby MHK, as the other Manx Labour Party member, who sits as a member of the Treasury. After all, both her negotiating and influencing skills, both towards trying to find a way to unlock additional funding have been fruitless. The same could be applied to that other man of the people, Silly Billy Henderson MLC, the ‘big’ Union Man and ex Nursing Man. Another man of little influence, and devoid of ideas.

Where would you take money from to fund higher pay rises ? Or do you prefer higher taxes. Lots of people shouting for higher spending for health, education, airport, roads etc but no one suggests how it should be funded!

[asitis]

24 minutes ago, Banker said:

Where would you take money from to fund higher pay rises ? Or do you prefer higher taxes. Lots of people shouting for higher spending for health, education, airport, roads etc but no one suggests how it should be funded!

A good start would be reigning in Government bloat and their profligate spending on vanity projects. Then redirect funding to frontline vital services. 

ETA Government are generally unfit to hold the executive power over public money.

Edited September 16, 2023 by asitis

[Two-lane]

I  assume that MHKs and some Civil Servants still do not pay for car parking in Douglas. This is a trivial amount compared to the amount that is required but is an indication of the mentality of the gov. No doubt there are many other possibilities for saving money,  but there is no willingness to do anything - other than continue spending.

I assume the excuse is that it will take time for a Tynwald vote to be organised etc. How long did it take for the suspension of the parking charges, and who made the decision?

 

 

[Non-Believer]

There's no problem with finding £1M+ for corrupt, malevolent and duplicitous civil servants to try and defend their conduct in the Ranson business. Backed by politicians, no less.

There's no problem in voting a further £97M from the original estimate for that fuck up in Liverpool.

There's no problem in dumping an illegal £500M power station debt on the taxpayers.

There's no problem on dumping a growing £1500 liability per year on every taxpayer to pay Govt pensions.

There's no problem with growing the civil service with attendant costs in non-jobs by over 20% in just a few years.

There's no problem with creating another multi-million pound administrative layer to allegedly manage our Health Services.

But we've got no money to fund front line staff.

[Roxanne]

5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

But we've got no money to fund front line staff.

That''s an excellent post NB. Absolutely spot on.

[Roxanne]

5 hours ago, Jarndyce said:

…but if you were playing Top Trumps on drugs usage - what would be the winning card?

[Jarndyce]

Well played!   Flat White FTW!

[Banker]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

There's no problem with finding £1M+ for corrupt, malevolent and duplicitous civil servants to try and defend their conduct in the Ranson business. Backed by politicians, no less.

There's no problem in voting a further £97M from the original estimate for that fuck up in Liverpool.

There's no problem in dumping an illegal £500M power station debt on the taxpayers.

There's no problem on dumping a growing £1500 liability per year on every taxpayer to pay Govt pensions.

There's no problem with growing the civil service with attendant costs in non-jobs by over 20% in just a few years.

There's no problem with creating another multi-million pound administrative layer to allegedly manage our Health Services.

But we've got no money to fund front line staff.

You’re spot on but the money is gone & can’t be respent & no matter what anyone thinks previous pensions can’t be withheld or reduced without potentially very costly legal action which would probably fail.

so we’re back to same issue more money is required from somewhere and as well as increasing taxes we do need a cap on nonessential civil servants 

[Jarndyce]

10 minutes ago, Banker said:

You’re spot on but the money is gone & can’t be respent

I think that this is understood - but I believe the comment was intended to highlight IOMG thinking, approach and priorities for spending; and the implication for their thinking in the future.   To take just one example: if money is tight, why embark on an un-winnable legal appeal?   What’s the rationale behind that decision?   Clearly not financial…

Edited September 16, 2023 by Jarndyce
Altered for clarity

[Non-Believer]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

You’re spot on but the money is gone & can’t be respent & no matter what anyone thinks previous pensions can’t be withheld or reduced without potentially very costly legal action which would probably fail.

so we’re back to same issue more money is required from somewhere and as well as increasing taxes we do need a cap on nonessential civil servants 

The problem is that we are continuing to spend money in this fashion without any signs of it coming under control. Where do we stop just endlessly passing the buck on to the taxpayers and private business?

There is one ethos in Govt and one ethos only. Look after ourselves. In pay, in benefits and in reputation, no matter what our conduct may have been to the contrary.

And we have not one politician at any level with the balls to take this situation on because they have been quickly indoctrinated with the same ethos.

Edited September 16, 2023 by Non-Believer
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[Fred the shred]

Costly ill advised legal appeal, surely that is down to bad advice from the A.G’s Office ?    I understood that is what they are there for in part anyway ? 

[Omobono]

5 minutes ago, Fred the shred said:

Costly ill advised legal appeal, surely that is down to bad advice from the A.G’s Office ?    I understood that is what they are there for in part anyway ? 

Dont forget Hooper sanctioned the appeal  and if he had done his home work he would have quickly realised all the woman wanted was an apology and here job back , but no  die in a ditch before admitting they were wrong ! ,  after all the taxpayer mugs are picking up the bill for this ,

[asitis]

You could start at the AG's office, now apparently the largest lawyers chambers on the island !

.... and clearly not dispensing top notch advice !

 

Edited September 17, 2023 by asitis

[Banker]

32 minutes ago, asitis said:

You could start at the AG's office, now apparently the largest lawyers chambers on the island !

.... and clearly not dispensing top notch advice !

 

They have to spend a lot of their time reviewing every little contract the local authorities & departments issue as that’s the process these days as everyone wants to cover their arse!!

[thommo2010]

The NHS in its current format is not fit for purpose, society has changed drastically from when the NHS was set up. What the answer is I don't know but something needs to change