IOM DHSC & MANX CARE

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

So nurses are on salary of & £140k to £170k , that’s a first anywhere in the world!!

That’s not what was said at all. What was said was that that position was paid the same as 3 or 4 nurses. Given the pay scale that would suggest a nursing salary would be be £9000 to £10,000 a nurse

[wrighty]

3 minutes ago, John Wright said:

That’s not what was said at all. What was said was that that position was paid the same as 3 or 4 nurses. Given the pay scale that would suggest a nursing salary would be be £9000 to £10,000 a nurse

Quite.  Disappointing that a banker multiplies when he should be dividing.

[Roxanne]

Got to think of the shareholders...

[buncha wankas]

2 hours ago, Gladys said:

Executive Officer in civil service grading (if the same grading is used in Manx Care)  is not that far up the tree.  Trying to find quickly the pay grade is not that easy  but an EO is not high up in the chain.  Don't be confused with use of 'executive', it has a different meaning in CS speak. 

E0 is anything up to 38/40k a Higher EO is anything up to about 50k and a senior EO is up to approx 58k depending if they are establish staff or new ones.  It’s a lot of money for tick boxers as there is no responsibility, consequences, oversight or management decisions, it’s just following procedures and policy.  Easy money. 

[buncha wankas]

On 10/10/2023 at 12:02 PM, RonWeasley said:

For me it’s the bit saying they knew about the issues but have been too slow in responding ie done nothing! 

St Christopher’s keep getting the contract to run these homes, there are civil servants who get paid to oversee the tender and contract operating under their sections budgets, but obviously don’t as it takes an independent report paid for by us, so effectively we are paying 3 times to ensure vulnerable kids get the care they deserve.   Madness 

[John Wright]

22 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Disappointing that a banker multiplies when he should be dividing.

But not unexpected with that @Banker

[Declan]

Had a read of the job spec. Looks in the region of what an experienced senior admin (c£35 k) would get in the private sector and that's what the job description is asking for. 

Whether it's a necessary role - I don't know. I'd rather nurses nurse and doctors doctor, meaning you need administrators to administrate. I guess it would depend on the amount of clinical time it frees up. I suppose it might generate work that took doctors and nurses time away from patients, but I would have thought it the levels above that do that. 

[Banker]

2 hours ago, John Wright said:

That’s not what was said at all. What was said was that that position was paid the same as 3 or 4 nurses. Given the pay scale that would suggest a nursing salary would be be £9000 to £10,000 a nurse

Ok so you think nurses are on £9 -£10k like OP ? perhaps living your rich lifestyle around your many homes you are out of touch with reality 

[WTF]

2 hours ago, wrighty said:

Quite.  Disappointing that a banker multiplies when he should be dividing.

that's how they work out their bonuses .

[Roger Mexico]

It's worth putting up the actual job description as these links tend to disappear quite quickly nowadays:

We are seeking a highly organised and conscientious individual to join our team as a Business Support Executive Officer - Theatres within Manx Care at Noble’s Hospital!

You will work closely with colleagues across Critical Care, Theatres and Anaesthetics, providing a range of administrative and project based support to enable the smooth running and timely delivery of activity within the Care Group. You will also provide support to the Lead Business Manager.

Your main responsibilities will include:

• Full organisational and administrative support to the Care Group Lead Business Manager and wider team leaders within the Care Group
• Managing and overseeing a variety of projects across the service, with key responsibilities such as prioritisation, planning ahead, monitoring progress, pursuing and updating accordingly, managing resources available within constraints and delivering these within agreed deadlines and targets
• Building and maintaining strong working relationships with all stakeholders involved with the Care Group business; this will involve being an initial point of contact for stakeholders on behalf of the Care Group Management Team.

Whether this is effectively a new post because someone higher up has decided they are too grand to do this now or not, it's an essential job of admin that probably does need to be done by a 'civilian' as there could be competing priorities among medical staff that need resolving.  It's also an important one as we know from previously that the theatres at Nobles have been underused by UK standards and this has led to backlogs.

But the job title is misleading, presumably "business" here just means "things people do" and the language is woolly and vague so as to make things sound important.  

[John Wright]

19 minutes ago, Banker said:

Ok so you think nurses are on £9 -£10k like OP ? perhaps living your rich lifestyle around your many homes you are out of touch with reality 

No. Both OP and you were wrong.

Lets recap.

You don’t know the difference between Victoria St and Victoria Road.

You think that dividing a sum of between £33-38,000 by either 3, or 4, gives £140-170,000.

Need I remind you of more?

[Declan]

2 minutes ago, Banker said:

Ok so you think nurses are on £9 -£10k like OP ? perhaps living your rich lifestyle around your many homes you are out of touch with reality 

He's clearly not saying that.

Reread the thread.

1. Sentience suggested that this role was the equivalent of three or four nurses.  So - Salary (S) = 4 Nurses' Salary (N)

2. You replied that would mean nurses were on £140k to £170K. This would mean S = 4 x £170k. Which is clearly nonsense the admin salary would be upto £680k. 

3. It was pointed out that the salary is £35K ish. Which for Sentience's statement to be true would mean that £35k = 4 n, therefore a nurse's salary would be £8.75k. also clearly nonsense. 

He's pointing out that point 1 was incorrect, and that your point 2 was also incorrect. 

John wasn't advocating for point 3 or saying it was the current situation simply that it was an absurdity and therefore point one was bollocks.

[Gladys]

22 minutes ago, Banker said:

Ok so you think nurses are on £9 -£10k like OP ? perhaps living your rich lifestyle around your many homes you are out of touch with reality 

So how much are they on? Full time, not bank or part time. 

[Major Rushen]

The average Isle of Man Government salary ranges from approximately £29,543 per year for OB/GYN Nurse to £90,584 per year for Chief Nursing Officer.

[John Wright]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

So how much are they on? Full time, not bank or part time. 

Registered Nurse, intensive care, currently advertised £35-48k

Registered Nurse, ED, currently advertised £31-40k

Registered Nurse, General Medical Ward, currently advertised £31-40k