Chris C Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, SleepyJoe said: So much for our 21st century democracy - I hope the new Governator is watching closely One of the finest examples of irony I've ever read. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Tynwald/the Keys should be able to make them resign if they feel they have failed in the job. How do you define having failed in the job? Cregeen in my view was a byword for incompetence and failure but I am pretty sure that he would have done his basic duties as a Minister On the forum I see lots of fine broad ideals or otherwise but generally very little by way of specifics as to how practically they might work. We generally are all in favour of elected MLC's and a CM but when you come down to so that MLCs are not effectively just MHK's or that the voting does not effectively give the MLC's or CM a bigger mandate than MHKs. It is easy coming up with things that we want to see changed but very difficult to come with specifics that work in practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 18 hours ago, Ramseyboi said: It will be a two horse race as anyone else who puts themselves forward is deluded. Cannan will get the job. Any fannying about between now and then with manifestos, discussion or votes is a waste of time. Welcome to the real world. You're sounding like Alan Bell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, Declan said: You're sounding like Alan Bell. I don’t recall Alan always being right and so am not quite sure what your point is? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 46 minutes ago, Lost Login said: How do you define having failed in the job? Cregeen in my view was a byword for incompetence and failure but I am pretty sure that he would have done his basic duties as a Minister That's not for me or you to define though, that's for the Keys. Whether you think they have done their 'basic duties' or not is irrelevant, though as far as I can see their basic duties resemble that of a rubber stamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Ramseyboi said: I don’t recall Alan always being right and so am not quite sure what your point is? But he thought he was. His biggest fault was that he grew impatient with democratic process when he'd made his mind up, especially when a HNWI was involved. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Bottom line, it matters not who is CM or for that matter who are MHKs in the new Tynwald. Due to our "system" our votes don't make a toss of difference and neither do the elected make any difference. For example who went into the election 5 years ago with a proposal to wipe out the taxi trade and buy mini buses? No One Did The island is run by the CS and I think this is because it suits the UK government, our ultimate masters, don't forget, to have it this way.* *I can see why the UK want it like this, the island is a good place to "store" money and the like. They feed us the dregs with the VAT money, which we still get far more than makes any sense in comparison to our consumption. Don't forget it is a consumption tax. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Declan said: But he thought he was. His biggest fault was that he grew impatient with democratic process when he'd made his mind up, especially when a HNWI was involved. So how does that relate to me posting what I thought was going to happen/what is obviously going to happen/what so far has been completely correct? Confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: That's not for me or you to define though, that's for the Keys. Whether you think they have done their 'basic duties' or not is irrelevant, though as far as I can see their basic duties resemble that of a rubber stamp. No but a couple have made the suggestion that Ministers should be made "to resign if they feel they have failed in the job". I would have thought having made the suggestion they would have had some basic outline of how it could be judged whether a Minister has failed. I am struggling to think how it could be done so I asked the question as without being able to understand if or how it could be done in a way that is not purely just a case of "I don't like you" it is hard to understand if the suggestion has any merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) On 9/30/2021 at 1:58 PM, Ramseyboi said: Nominated will be Allinson and Cannan. That’s it Chances of me being proven wrong in the next few hours? Slim to none. Anyone who thought any of the others would be in the race is deluded. Edited October 5, 2021 by Ramseyboi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 What a sorry state of affairs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I would like someone who can put more than two words together in a sentence and not punctuate it with ‘erm’ ‘err’ ‘um’ AND have some sort of intelligence. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: What a sorry state of affairs Why? What was the realistic alternative state of affairs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, x-in-man said: I would like someone who can put more than two words together in a sentence and not punctuate it with ‘erm’ ‘err’ ‘um’ AND have some sort of intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, x-in-man said: I would like someone who can put more than two words together in a sentence and not punctuate it with ‘erm’ ‘err’ ‘um’ AND have some sort of intelligence. That’s both of those in the running then. Sounds like you should have stood yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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