thommo2010 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 3 hours ago, HeliX said: The problem in the UK is much smaller, though is still present. And as you say, pretty much stems from the police being expected to be not only law enforcement, but also social workers, mental health workers, cat rescuers, etc etc. In the US the problem is magnified many times not only due to them carrying arms, but also due to the overwhelming focus of their training being on deploying the use of firearms - even though only a minuscule fraction of calls require it. Defunding the police is more about focusing the police's effort into responding to violent situations, and investigating crime. Everything else should be handled by appropriately trained specialists in mental health, domestic issues, drug issues etc. The police in the uk are probably the least funded of all the services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, joebean said: Slightly extreme? I would say the only thing extreme in the comparison was the stupidity. To infer that a lack of support for taking the knee and the concept of automatic privilege due to skin colour equates to fascism is just ridiculous and demonstrates how facile opinions on these matters have become. But I did not. You are combing two different posts too either innocently or deliberately make a misleading statement suggesting I made a statement which I did not. My comparison was in response to Amadeus saying we wait for 5 years to make any comment. Effectively we wipe the slate clean. I thought that was a rather daft comment as that has not happened to any other MHK and gave a couple of extreme examples of why I thought simply ignoring past knowledge and wiping the slate clean in case the leopard has changed its spots was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Where did Amadeus suggest that..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 2 hours ago, forestboy said: Can’t understand why Stu is being talked about so much good or bad when the other 23 successful candidates have little or no coverage. There were candidates that attracted far more comments than SP pre election e.g. Michael Jossem and I expect that if they he had been elected he would have attracted a fair few comments, just as Rob Callister has had a long running thread going. The difference though is that very few, if any, spring to the defense of the above there are a fair few who appear to be happy to spring to the defense of SP and his views, which I and others view as fairly abhorrent. With regard to the other 23 candidates I did consider starting a thread listing and the separating out into different groups, from those who you would have confidence would do a good job as a minister to those who you would not want in charge of issuing dog licences, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 4 hours ago, HeliX said: Defunding the police is more about focusing the police's effort into responding to violent situations, and investigating crime. Everything else should be handled by appropriately trained specialists in mental health, domestic issues, drug issues etc. Well that's impractical under current circumstance, and I'm not even sure it would be a good thing. And even if it was possible, the Police will often be the first people on the scene. They're the 'when something goes wrong' service that people will turn to first and they have to act as the equivalent of triage nurses if not GPs to deal with the immediate situation and call in people better able to deal with things in detail. And to be honest that's why some people join the Police- they like the variety and the interaction with the public. Which is probably a better motivation than expecting to always be "responding to violent situations, and investigating crime". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 48 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: The police in the uk are probably the least funded of all the services. Rubbish. There have been cutbacks over recent times but nothing like those that have been experienced by the other services. Which often why the police have to deal with situations that other services should be dealing with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Well that's impractical under current circumstance, and I'm not even sure it would be a good thing. And even if it was possible, the Police will often be the first people on the scene. They're the 'when something goes wrong' service that people will turn to first and they have to act as the equivalent of triage nurses if not GPs to deal with the immediate situation and call in people better able to deal with things in detail. And to be honest that's why some people join the Police- they like the variety and the interaction with the public. Which is probably a better motivation than expecting to always be "responding to violent situations, and investigating crime". Which circumstances? Jurisdictions that have tried it seem to have positive results. The variety of interaction may well be why some people join the police, but very few people are capable of being first-rate in multiple disciplines. The outcomes for those involved are more important than the enjoyment level for the police force. "Which is probably a better motivation than expecting to always be "responding to violent situations, and investigating crime"." That really depends what sort of job they're being sent to. And in a police force which is expected to have all those responsibilities, you also don't know whether you're sending a competent social worker or someone who joined because they like to throw their weight around to the job. Edited September 25, 2021 by HeliX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 54 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Rubbish. There have been cutbacks over recent times but nothing like those that have been experienced by the other services. Which often why the police have to deal with situations that other services should be dealing with. Maybe go out with the police for a couple of shifts then re visit your opinion 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Just now, thommo2010 said: Maybe go out with the police for a couple of shifts then re visit your opinion Great idea. A new tourist experience for which they should charge. Discounts for each criminal you catch, plus a 10% discount card for McDonalds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 In any decent society the police should be the least funded out of the emergency services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Max Power said: I'm sure you have seen some of the rhetoric which has been espoused on TV by leading supporters of BLM such as Sasha Johnson, Sophie Duker etc? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34135267 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12693273/bbc-comedian-white-people-joke-frankie-boyle-show/ https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/26/watch-take-it-to-the-streets-and-fck-the-british-police-says-black-panther-sasha-johnson/ Why would I be lying to stir up racial hatred, I don't support BLM but I have no hatred of any race. You are displaying your own prejudices by suggesting that I am. What has the emergence of the BLM movement brought to society? Has it increased inclusion or sowed division? What are we seeing so far, progress or stymie? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, quilp said: What has the emergence of the BLM movement brought to society? Has it increased inclusion or sowed division? What are we seeing so far, progress or stymie? Without doubt it has sowed division. For example taking the knee. How many racists have changed their minds as a result? ( close to zero I would suggest) How many non racists ( the vast majority in society) feel insulted that they think this gesture actually adds any value to the anti racist movement. A lot I would suggest ( including me) It just pisses people off Bit like the Insulate Britain mob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Without doubt it has sowed division. For example taking the knee. How many racists have changed their minds as a result? ( close to zero I would suggest) How many non racists ( the vast majority in society) feel insulted that they think this gesture actually adds any value to the anti racist movement. A lot I would suggest ( including me) It just pisses people off Bit like the Insulate Britain mob They've just sacked off an orchestra across and replaced them with "diverse" musicians just to tick the right boxes, mental! Edited September 25, 2021 by finlo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 3 hours ago, quilp said: Where did Amadeus suggest that..? See the post below. 11 hours ago, Amadeus said: Congratulations Stu. Some of his views might be unpopular and I also disagree with some of them, but he was democratically elected and therefore should be judged at the end of his term and not right now. I took that to mean we should refrain from commenting on SP's past actions and comments and basically only judge him over what he does over the next five years, hence my comments, If that is not what Amadeus meant then I apologise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Login Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 6 hours ago, SleepyJoe said: Stu is no fool .... Well he has done a bloody good job hiding that fact over many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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