hissingsid Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I know John will know how this plays out. On the Nations Station’s news this morning the police have started an initiative to prevent youngsters from purchasing drink, cigarettes and fireworks. The cunning stunt is to send good 😇 children into places that sell these commodities and see if they get served. Surely this could be seen as entrapment or am I watching too many second rate crime shows. Personally I do not see this working as the kids send older people in to get the goods for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 ban the retail sale of cigs and fireworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, snowman said: ban the retail sale of cigs and fireworks Totally agree. I always prefer to buy my fireworks wholesale, weapons grade if possible. More bang for your buck. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 This has been done for years particularly with alcohol and cigarettes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: This has been done for years particularly with alcohol and cigarettes. Just going to say that. Trading Standards used to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Not much of a smart initiative if you broadcast it to everyone first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Trading standards have always used this technique for Ciggies and alcohol. Fireworks is a logical extension. whether it’s morally justified is another matter entirely 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said: Not much of a smart initiative if you broadcast it to everyone first You clearly don’t understand deterrence. It’s not just about getting punished, it’s about detection and getting caught risk. Knowing it’s happening has deterrent effect, not on kids but on retail staff, who are front line defence against such sales. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I actually haven't seen so much of this in recent months. As said above you would often see a few gathered outside my local Convenience store waiting for their legal age friend to buy for them. This might catch a shop or two at the most but thats about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I'd also be interested in John's legal knowledge on entrapment. 'Jailbait' and spyware is used by law enforcement on the internet all the time. I wonder how many unwary browsers accidentally click on something or find themselves tracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Don’t see how this initiative in any different than the police going out with speed cameras to check people are complying with the law. They often post on social media where they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, snowman said: ban the retail sale of cigs and fireworks change your name to snowflake 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, John Wright said: Trading standards have always used this technique for Ciggies and alcohol. Fireworks is a logical extension. whether it’s morally justified is another matter entirely They’ll have jackets with ATF across the back soon. Alcohol, tobacco and fireworks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 There is a difference. Police with speed cameras are visible to the public. Entrapment is invisible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 We don’t have fixed speed cameras here but thread on twitter saying police often hide around the corner from a fixed speed camera and catch the motorists who slow down for fixed camera and then speed up after. Made me laugh. Have seen them lurking in gateways over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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