Will Halsall Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Josem said: I like that you've come up with a way to criticise me for the literally imaginary voices in your head. That's some impressive projection right there. Michael, having engaged with you at the beginning of Covid on IOMN&P, when you were being dismissive of the islands approach to Covid, suggesting your homeland was the country we should aspire to (how a year has changed), then watching your podcasts with the other two wise men. Followed further, by noting your decision to try for another crack as an MHK in a different, and arguably easier constituency, while trying to defend the indefensible by refusing to reveal your backers, I seriously doubt your honourableness regarding not going for an MLC position, if you had a good chance of getting in? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Australia's and New Zealand's covid policy only delayed the inevitable. A folly from the outset. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 hours ago, quilp said: Australia's and New Zealand's covid policy only delayed the inevitable. A folly from the outset. If the Isle of Man had the same death rate as Australia or New Zealand, then there'd be around 50 less Manx deaths from COVID. If you think that keeping 50 extra Manx people alive is a "folly" then you have a weird set of priorities. The sad fact is that the fateful decision was made on 18 March 2020: The Prime Ministers of New Zealand and Australia closed their borders. The Chief Minister encouraged people to go out to restaurants and pubs - and indeed went out to a restaurant that night. The Chief Minister of the Isle of Man tried to encourage people to save the economy, and made the wrong, sad, decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Josem said: If the Isle of Man had the same death rate as Australia or New Zealand, then there'd be around 50 less Manx deaths from COVID. If you think that keeping 50 extra Manx people alive is a "folly" then you have a weird set of priorities. The sad fact is that the fateful decision was made on 18 March 2020: The Prime Ministers of New Zealand and Australia closed their borders. The Chief Minister encouraged people to go out to restaurants and pubs - and indeed went out to a restaurant that night. The Chief Minister of the Isle of Man tried to encourage people to save the economy, and made the wrong, sad, decision. Oh come on. How many of those unfortunate 50 deaths would have happened anyway in the last year and a bit? Easy half, probably about 90 percent. Are you honestly saying that prolonging you think we should still have closed borders and be chasing elimination with all the downsides that go with that, the inevitable failed businesses, the mental health issues and the inevitable suicides not to mention the exodus of tax paying residents? Do you disagree with people going out and socialising then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 17 hours ago, Josem said: I think the public very rarely gets these things wrong. Maybe, but is it not possible that the 3rd placed candidate in a constituency could be a suitable choice, but only foiled by timing and/or geography? Don't do yourself down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 A PE and geography teacher. Ace https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/teacher-becomes-seventh-legco-candidate/?fbclid=IwAR3W9J2QQM5r_9NS-4A8uu1sTnY8qUKB4q3ukNz1FBqz5GQp5ICkXCepKz0 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Oh come on. How many of those unfortunate 50 deaths would have happened anyway in the last year and a bit? Easy half, probably about 90 percent. Your cavalier attitude to 50 people dying makes me sad. 13 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Are you honestly saying that prolonging you think we should still have closed borders and be chasing elimination with all the downsides that go with that, We should have acted sooner. But unfortunately, the Government had a policy of being reactive, rather than proactive. Being proactive would have helped us to avoid many of the downsides that you talk about. 13 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: the inevitable failed businesses, the mental health issues and the inevitable suicides not to mention the exodus of tax paying residents? I think quite the opposite would have happened: we could have avoided much of the mental health issues, and the suicides, if the IOM Government had acted sooner. Rather than waiting to seed the virus in our community, we could have limited its penetration, and in doing so, avoid the harsh lockdowns (especially the Department of Cabinet Office lockdowns in December 2020 and March 2021). 13 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Do you disagree with people going out and socialising then? No, because we're in a different situation in November 2021 to February 2020 or March 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 3, 2021 Author Share Posted November 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: A PE and geography teacher. Ace https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/teacher-becomes-seventh-legco-candidate/?fbclid=IwAR3W9J2QQM5r_9NS-4A8uu1sTnY8qUKB4q3ukNz1FBqz5GQp5ICkXCepKz0 As promoted by Jason Moorehouse and seconded by Rob Callister, President of the National Education Union. Can’t see him getting anywhere - if he’s a geography teacher, if he gets told to fuck off at least he will know where to go. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Josem said: If the Isle of Man had the same death rate as Australia or New Zealand, then there'd be around 50 less Manx deaths from COVID. If you think that keeping 50 extra Manx people alive is a "folly" then you have a weird set of priorities. That's a broad assumption you cannot qualify nor prove. Seems you'll use any old schmaltz. My point is that the closing of their borders as tightly, and for as long as they have has only delayed the inevitable infiltration of the virus into those countries and that their avoidance tactic was destined to fail. Your moral equivalency with this Island is irrelevant and my priorities have fuck all to do with it. 24 minutes ago, Josem said: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Josem said: Your cavalier attitude to 50 people dying makes me sad. We should have acted sooner. But unfortunately, the Government had a policy of being reactive, rather than proactive. Being proactive would have helped us to avoid many of the downsides that you talk about. I think quite the opposite would have happened: we could have avoided much of the mental health issues, and the suicides, if the IOM Government had acted sooner. Rather than waiting to seed the virus in our community, we could have limited its penetration, and in doing so, avoid the harsh lockdowns (especially the Department of Cabinet Office lockdowns in December 2020 and March 2021). No, because we're in a different situation in November 2021 to February 2020 or March 2020. Yes it sad people died but honestly and unfortunately a lot of them were at deaths door anyway. Most of the ones who weren’t (or at least the healthyish people I know of who have died) were people who could have been vaccinated and decided not to. If you think we would have had less mental health issues by being stricter at the borders then I really don’t know what to say. We lost enough residents as it was due to the isolation. Australia and New Zealand will look back in twelve months and wish they had handled things very differently in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, 2112 said: As promoted by Jason Moorehouse and seconded by Rob Callister, President of the National Education Union. Can’t see him getting anywhere - if he’s a geography teacher, if he gets told to fuck off at least he will know where to go. Any two of the men other than him would be my preference. Not because they are men, but because they are the better candidates. I would put money on every MHK backing at least one woman though. Just because 2021 and one has to be seen to be doing the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I hope the ladies reign supreme, not because of their sex but because they look a better fit for the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Halsall Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Josem said: If the Isle of Man had the same death rate as Australia or New Zealand, then there'd be around 50 less Manx deaths from COVID. If you think that keeping 50 extra Manx people alive is a "folly" then you have a weird set of priorities. The sad fact is that the fateful decision was made on 18 March 2020: The Prime Ministers of New Zealand and Australia closed their borders. The Chief Minister encouraged people to go out to restaurants and pubs - and indeed went out to a restaurant that night. The Chief Minister of the Isle of Man tried to encourage people to save the economy, and made the wrong, sad, decision. And you left Australia why exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, Ramseyboi said: Any two of the men other than him would be my preference. Not because they are men, but because they are the better candidates. I would put money on every MHK backing at least one woman though. Just because 2021 and one has to be seen to be doing the right thing. At least the women won't be tied by any of the "rules" of the boys' club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 3, 2021 Author Share Posted November 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, monasqueen said: At least the women won't be tied by any of the "rules" of the boys' club. I’m not bothered whether a male or a female candidate is elected. Whatever or whoever I just want them to get on with the job, not be a Government stooge, use their initiative for the good of the island, and not as a springboard to financially enrich themselves. The system is somewhat skewed as MHKs propose their friends or members of the great and the good. They then vote them in on a beauty contest, which is trying to be politically correct - or a Manx version of politically correct. Now we are getting husting style pre election publicity show, with the exception being that the public hasn’t the right to vote MLCs in, only MHKs do. Trade Union Closed Shop Practices totally against modern democratic principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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