manxman34 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 19 hours ago, SleepyJoe said: Time MLCs were democratically elected Why not charge them £3 million each, like Johnson does for the Lords? Benefit public finances, tax the rich, and get people who really want the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, manxman34 said: Why not charge them £3 million each, like Johnson does for the Lords? Benefit public finances, tax the rich, and get people who really want the job. Doesn't that money go into the Tory party coffers, rather than the public purse? Edited November 7, 2021 by Zarley Wording 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 19 hours ago, SleepyJoe said: Time MLCs were democratically elected Democratically elected by who. Our last MHKs were democratically elected by the voting populace. Hardly a recipe for success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramseyboi Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: Democratically elected by who. Our last MHKs were democratically elected by the voting populace. Hardly a recipe for success. Exactly. Turning the selection of MLCs in to a popularity contest would be a stupid idea. The general public don’t vote for the best people for a role (in this case, a role that most of them don’t understand) they vote for that nice man from the post office or just the names they recognise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 They are democratically elected if you think of it, we elect the MHKs and with that give them the mandate to select MLCs as and when, it goes with the job. If you don’t think the M.H.K. you voted for is capable of making an informed decision perhaps you should not have voted for them. Leaving aside the fact that many had best of bunch to select from or Hobson’s choice. Great film that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 7 hours ago, manxman34 said: Why not charge them £3 million each, like Johnson does for the Lords? Benefit public finances, tax the rich, and get people who really want the job. Yes something along these lines was said on Sky News last night - ie. 'they [political parties] all do it' Speaker of the Lords (a Tory I think) complaining there's about 800 peers he has to deal with The money isn't a benefit to public finances It's an argument for proportional representation and state funding of political parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 hours ago, hissingsid said: They are democratically elected if you think of it, we elect the MHKs and with that give them the mandate to select MLCs as and when, it goes with the job. If you don’t think the M.H.K. you voted for is capable of making an informed decision perhaps you should not have voted for them. Leaving aside the fact that many had best of bunch to select from or Hobson’s choice. Great film that. They take a mandate to appoint MLCs That isn't democratic process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Happier diner said: Democratically elected by who. Our last MHKs were democratically elected by the voting populace. Hardly a recipe for success. By the voting public - the people who pay for it all As far as MHKs go, you have to make do with those that have been elected If you feel strongly about something then you have to do what you can to influence their thinking Be careful tho' - Unlucky Alfred will hit out if what you say doesn't accord with his view of what's constructive input https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/cannan-some-friction-needed-to-make-good-progress/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Disagree but cannot be arsed to reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 With just about everyone in a government job of one sort or another the friction can pretty much only be internal Hope Shimmins is appointed, & sits on the margins lobbing in truth, fact & logic grenades as he feels fit 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Ramseyboi said: Exactly. Turning the selection of MLCs in to a popularity contest would be a stupid idea. The general public don’t vote for the best people for a role (in this case, a role that most of them don’t understand) they vote for that nice man from the post office or just the names they recognise. It already is but they only need to impress 24 people (not even that in reality); and if they want to keep their job they need to do as they are told. The prime example of this is Bill Henderson. The man wrote an essay about why Legco should be abolished before he was "elected". The truth is it either needs to be abolished or, a back of a fag packet plan, we elect 32 Members of Tynwald (get rid of the Bishop, scrap the presidency and AG). Then 9 Members are voted in from the elected Members to form the Legislative Council who's job is scrutinise legislation (maybe even become the official opposition). 9 Members in Comin, 9 in Legco. Either way the Keys shouldn't be allowed to elect their mates to a very lucrative position. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 If MLCs are appointed by the House of Keys then they are civil servants, & should not have a voice or a vote in Tynwald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman34 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/7/2021 at 8:07 AM, manxman34 said: Why not charge them £3 million each, like Johnson does for the Lords? Benefit public finances, tax the rich, and get people who really want the job. Delighted that so many people apparently took this suggestion seriously and responded accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 7:10 AM, John Wright said: Just to be clear. 1. you accept the IoM rate is higher, not lower, than AUS and NZ by a factor of 10 and 100 respectively ( in round terms )? 2. You’ve confused me with someone else? Yes, to both. The IOM death rate has been much much higher, and yes, I confused you with someone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 There's a 'hustings' with all seven candidates tonight at the Prom Church at 7.30 pm. Organised by the PAG and chaired by Moulton. Not sure if the actual voters ie the 24 Keys) have their own one as well or whether they will be slumming it with the plebs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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