Peter Layman Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 54 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Such people can be useful if you're trying not to leave yourself exposed? Exactly, to deflect your own incompetence, leave people like Longtail etc to take up the flack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Alf does have what it takes at face value. He even has majority public support on this issue. He just needs to press the button. If he has what it takes, why has he done fuck all prior to his promotion to CM? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, joebean said: That really sums it up. Organisations tend to replicate the leadership, but here we have a leader who does not lead the service. Will Greenhow could walk the corridors of the Civil Service, outside of Cabinet Office and not be recognised by the vast majority of those who he is supposed to be leading. Invisibility is not part of any successful Leader's skill-set. Let's not forget either, that the Chief Secretary was a significant person in the appointment of incompetent CEOs like Black at DoI. It is the Chief Secretary who line manages and protects the CEOs and reports on their performance to the CM. In all these respects he has been sadly lacking but getting hugely rewarded with taxpayer cash. What was his experience before joining the Civil Service here? I don't know but I suspect it didn't involve leading any large organisation. He is the product of the cosy appointments made in the IOM public sector and the chief protector of that culture. If Alf Cannan wants to bring about real change in the way our public service is run, he needs to embark on a process of change at the top and work down. I, like many others who wish him to succeed, will await developments with interest. A pretty good insight Joe, and quite damning too! I wouldn't know Will Greenhow if I fell over him, that's pretty frightening for a man holding so much power within a so called democracy. From what I can see, his fingerprints are on a lot of disasters which we have had to endure! He seems to call a lot of shots while wrapping himself in a bullet proof shroud! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Layman Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: He needs to put a stamp on his own regime. Frankly the last five years have been a write off. Especially since March 2020. Wrong - he was elected to do a job from day one. This shows just how feckless he was. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, joebean said: That really sums it up. Organisations tend to replicate the leadership, but here we have a leader who does not lead the service. Will Greenhow could walk the corridors of the Civil Service, outside of Cabinet Office and not be recognised by the vast majority of those who he is supposed to be leading. Invisibility is not part of any successful Leader's skill-set. Let's not forget either, that the Chief Secretary was a significant person in the appointment of incompetent CEOs like Black at DoI. It is the Chief Secretary who line manages and protects the CEOs and reports on their performance to the CM. In all these respects he has been sadly lacking but getting hugely rewarded with taxpayer cash. What was his experience before joining the Civil Service here? I don't know but I suspect it didn't involve leading any large organisation. He is the product of the cosy appointments made in the IOM public sector and the chief protector of that culture. If Alf Cannan wants to bring about real change in the way our public service is run, he needs to embark on a process of change at the top and work down. I, like many others who wish him to succeed, will await developments with interest. Rewarded to the sum of 153k a year upwards . More than the PM of Britain. Insane amount . Edited October 30, 2021 by Numbnuts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Rewarded in the sum of 153k a year upwards . More than the PM of Britain. Insane 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: So, pay top dollar get top monkeys? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gladys said: So, pay top dollar get top monkeys? Nah , then you get Apes ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: So, pay top dollar get top monkeys? No. Pay top dollar, loosely linked to UK system, to people largely promoted on parochial, time-served basis without any requirement to have served in any other environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Nah , then you get Apes ! Apes are somewhat brighter than your average monkey. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: No. Pay top dollar, loosely linked to UK system, to people largely promoted on parochial, time-served basis without any requirement to have served in any other environment. It wasn't intended as a compliment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Not fit for purpose is anything under Greenhow's watch. Teflon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 32 minutes ago, Gladys said: Apes are somewhat brighter than your average monkey. Your right I retract my comment . 😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Time to start by collapsing the current structure and making all of the top roles redundant as they won't be needed under a new model. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 12 hours ago, quilp said: How long has Will Greengrass been at the helm..? Over ten years. Bonkers for that kind of position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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