Newson's on the Quay

[Asthehills]

1 hour ago, Two-lane said:

From Maska's radio interview:

"You do need specialists involved in my experience. I'd like to think that we are moving into a new mindset in terms of the climate change emergency. There is a lot of embodied carbon already existing in these buildings and rather than designating them to a hole in the ground, you know, for fill, there are ways of revitalising and making the buildings the heart of an exciting project."

It is not just a matter of architecture, it is part of the carbon-neutral scheme.

What a load of tosh.

This is a seriously embarrassing decision and as many have already said, why wouldn’t anyone want to try and invest here?

Does anyone know the the five who voted yesterday were and what their backgrounds are without me having to look it up?

[Asthehills]

31 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Government need to overturn this decision ASAP - like today.

Or offer to buy it at a fair market rate and let MDC do whatever they think they can to turn a profit while keeping the fabric of the building if they believe that’s achievable.

Either way they can’t be allowed to let it sit for years.

[asitis]

43 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

I was hoping and waiting to see that a change of Government might have made a change.  Unfortunately we are now just over 1 year in and things are just getting worse.  This almost seems to me like the proverbial camel's straw:

Want to develop a falling down warehouse on the Quay – No

Want to develop a falling down cottage/cafe on the beach – No

Want to bring new business to the Island without excessive red tape – No

Want a grant to make your house more green – No

Want to have any kind of realistic renewable energy plan – No

Want a Government infrastructure project remotely on time or on budget – No

Want any Government project to be successful – No

Want schools at least on par with the UK – No

Want a functioning health service – No

Want some horses pulling a tram blocking the middle of an arterial main road – yes

Bravo...... the most realistic précis of where we are in a nutshell !

[The Phantom]

22 minutes ago, asitis said:

Bravo...... the most realistic précis of where we are in a nutshell !

When the few survivors of those that have decided to remain here are now mud farmers and turd fishermen, they'll always be able to look fondly upon the empty horse trams travelling up and down a completely empty derelict capital. 

[Chef Raekwon]

I mean it's an awful decision, but still Josem lol.  PR disaster that fella.

[Asthehills]

Page 18 onwards if anyone has time to read.

Note this is the agenda for yesterdays meeting so should include most of the info those present used to make their decisions although minutes am often aren’t available until several weeks later.

https://www.gov.im/media/1377846/pc-agenda-260922.pdf

[BriT]

1 hour ago, The Phantom said:

We have spent several years trying to invest £8 million to fix this crumbling eyesore, but have been unable to overcome the objections of the planners.

This just reinforces my view from attending some of the IOM Government Conference last week that were all fucked. They will stand on stage trotting out a load of aspirational and delusional bullshit about population growth and new opportunities and then the next minute it’s officers are delivering brain dead shit like this. The site is an absolute eyesore. Anything on that site would be better than what’s there already. The only message it’s sending out to anyone is don’t invest a penny in the IOM. If you’re a developer go to Jersey, or Guernsey or Manchester or Leeds. Don’t be bothered going through the process of trying to make a faded dismal Victorian shit-tip of a town (which now thinks it’s a City) any better for the people who live there as you’ll just be throwing money into a hole in the ground. This makes me so angry. This Island has totally had it. 

[The Phantom]

36 minutes ago, BriT said:

This just reinforces my view from attending some of the IOM Government Conference last week that were all fucked. They will stand on stage trotting out a load of aspirational and delusional bullshit about population growth and new opportunities and then the next minute it’s officers are delivering brain dead shit like this. The site is an absolute eyesore. Anything on that site would be better than what’s there already. The only message it’s sending out to anyone is don’t invest a penny in the IOM. If you’re a developer go to Jersey, or Guernsey or Manchester or Leeds. Don’t be bothered going through the process of trying to make a faded dismal Victorian shit-tip of a town (which now thinks it’s a City) any better for the people who live there as you’ll just be throwing money into a hole in the ground. This makes me so angry. This Island has totally had it. 

It further highlights my thoughts that if I had attended, I more than likely would have ended up being pepper sprayed and forcibly removed once I'd hit my max bullshit threshold and completely lost it. 

[Wake Up Call]

39 minutes ago, BriT said:

This just reinforces my view from attending some of the IOM Government Conference last week that were all fucked. They will stand on stage trotting out a load of aspirational and delusional bullshit about population growth and new opportunities and then the next minute it’s officers are delivering brain dead shit like this. The site is an absolute eyesore. Anything on that site would be better than what’s there already. The only message it’s sending out to anyone is don’t invest a penny in the IOM. If you’re a developer go to Jersey, or Guernsey or Manchester or Leeds. Don’t be bothered going through the process of trying to make a faded dismal Victorian shit-tip of a town (which now thinks it’s a City) any better for the people who live there as you’ll just be throwing money into a hole in the ground. This makes me so angry. This Island has totally had it. 

Sums it all up. Nicely done

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, Mistercee said:

Did she achieve anything when she was employed by Government as "Building Conservation Officer". Judging by her profile on the Tynwald website she appears to be another one in the Rob Callister mould with a string of letters after her name that she seems to think give her credibility. She needs to get into the real world - it is this sort of attitude that results in nothing getting done other than Government projects that end up as cock ups. Perhaps she should have got involved in the Promenade and Liverpool Ferry Terminal projects - her architectural expertise would have been invaluable.  

      Tynwald - Parliament of the Isle of Man - MASKA Marlene Madora MLC

Well actually your link suggests[1] that she's got a five-year BA in Architecture from Liverpool plus a postgraduate diploma in Conservation Science (presumably from Bournemouth).  There doesn't seem to be any other qualifications listed, unlike Callister's stream.  I would have thought that would give someone a little more credibility in the subject than the announcements of property developer and estate agents.

 

[1]  It's a bit garbled, which suggests that the Tynwald website doesn't quite know how architecture degrees work, which to be fair is complicated and may have changed since Maska qualified.

[BriT]

Just how much SHITE is personified by this Tweet from last week?

[MadAsHell]

4 hours ago, Two-lane said:

From Maska's radio interview:

"You do need specialists involved in my experience. I'd like to think that we are moving into a new mindset in terms of the climate change emergency. There is a lot of embodied carbon already existing in these buildings and rather than designating them to a hole in the ground, you know, for fill, there are ways of revitalising and making the buildings the heart of an exciting project."

It is not just a matter of architecture, it is part of the carbon-neutral scheme.

They could replant Howard's wood to offset.

[Two-lane]

4 hours ago, Andy Onchan said:

What's that mean in plain English?

Perhaps she is trying to say that instead of using up energy (i.e. creating pollution) in knocking down a building, and then using energy to recreate the building; just use it as is. In terms of energy use, that is not too much sense given the thermal efficiency of the existing property - to build a new thermally efficient building would save more energy over the next 50 years or so.

The planning report is a long read - too long for my brain. But I do note that a gov. person is of the opinion that the building is not in danger of falling down - i.e. they believe those steel girders are there just to create the impression of dereliction. If I were the owner of the site I would remove the girders and wait for it to collapse.

[Numbnuts]

Only just found out that Just Pizza and Pasta building is also owned by Raj. He has  one serious property portfolio over here .

[Asthehills]

11 minutes ago, Numbnuts said:

Only just found out that Just Pizza and Pasta building is also owned by Raj. He has  one serious property portfolio over here .

I thought he owned the whole clinch’s site.  Could be wrong though.