SleepyJoe Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Conservative government in the UK does have polices for redevelopment of urban areas - I'm surprised the Cannan administration haven't adopted them More worrying to me is Ashford as chair of the planning committee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Gladys said: I reserve judgement on this particular decision until we see the detail, The decision and report are on the gov. website. Are there any more documents due? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: The decision and report are on the gov. website. Are there any more documents due? Doubt it other than what’s been reported, leaving these very important planning decisions to lay members is ridiculous, this committee should have been chaired by Ashford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Gladys said: There was someone on Mannin Line complaining about Alf getting involved in planning matters. In the ordinary course of things perhaps but these kinds of decisions really can have a significant impact on the future of the island. I reserve judgement on this particular decision until we see the detail, but it does at first appear contrary and putting the weight on preservation at all costs rather than measured and appropriate development. There was some feckless bint on the Moanin line saying they should create a new building using the facade of the original building. What planet are people on. That's like saying in want a facelift but dont want to lose any wrinkles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 56 minutes ago, Banker said: Doubt it other than what’s been reported, leaving these very important planning decisions to lay members is ridiculous, this committee should have been chaired by Ashford. I believe he was there but sitting in rather than participating as it was his first meeting. ironically it appears that the true lay members were in favour, the dissenters seem to have been those with a civil service and planning background. Obviously used to toeing the line? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyJoe Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 This island is devoid of appealing modern architecture & it's little wonder with the 'we don't do change' brigade having far too much influence 90% of our building stock is of little architectural quality & for the most part very poorly insulated How are we supposed to achieve 'vibrant island' status, by getting the MDC to punt millions on the nurses home? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Two-lane said: The decision and report are on the gov. website. Are there any more documents due? I was expecting a bit more on the reasons rather than, 'we haven't changed our mind from the earlier report'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 What is the process with planning decisions? Do the builders have a right to appeal? If so, who would be the ultimate authority - a minister or an independent planning inspector? I have vague memories of minsters overruling planning decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 (edited) The exact same thing happened on the other side of the quay You have a developer willing to spend millions but they stuck some kind of preservation order on the old Trafalgar pub. A proper shithole and of no use to anyone and incapable of being made useful because its shape and that half of it is below ground so very damp. I am sure this will have been part of the reason that site has sat doing nothing for a couple of years and looks like a bomb hit it. That call from planning was/ is just as bad at the old Newson's building Edited September 30, 2022 by Boris Johnson 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Two-lane said: What is the process with planning decisions? Do the builders have a right to appeal? If so, who would be the ultimate authority - a minister or an independent planning inspector? I have vague memories of minsters overruling planning decisions. The basic issue for me is that no developer ever builds a building that they don’t think they can let out of fill. I’m not sure how government assumes it knows better than anyone else what should go on a site and what shouldn’t. Nobody is going to spend £8M to be left with something that they’re not going to get a good return on. There’s enough plans gone in on this plot now. If none of them have been satisfactory then nobody else is going to waste any time or money buying the site to try again. Unless the ultimate plan is that the MDC buys this and so they’ve thrown out the plans so that they can pick it up on the cheap then have their own ‘amazing’ plans rubber stamped through planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: The basic issue for me is that no developer ever builds a building that they don’t think they can let out of fill. I’m not sure how government assumes it knows better than anyone else what should go on a site and what shouldn’t. Nobody is going to spend £8M to be left with something that they’re not going to get a good return on. There’s enough plans gone in on this plot now. If none of them have been satisfactory then nobody else is going to waste any time or money buying the site to try again. Unless the ultimate plan is that the MDC buys this and so they’ve thrown out the plans so that they can pick it up on the cheap then have their own ‘amazing’ plans rubber stamped through planning. If MDC buy it, they could open a work and protective clothes shop, staffed by returning Uni students with degrees in H&S, business studies, marketing and fashion design. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, SleepyJoe said: This island is devoid of appealing modern architecture & it's little wonder with the 'we don't do change' brigade having far too much influence 90% 99.9% of our building stock is of little architectural quality & for the most part very poorly insulated How are we supposed to achieve 'vibrant island' status, by getting the MDC to punt millions on the nurses home? A few Scott buildings and a couple with a nod to Le Corbusier (QB Roundabout and near Groudle pub) other than that, 2 up 2 down cottages in rubble stone are a very poor structure to even contemplate saving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Gladys said: If MDC buy it, they could open a work and protective clothes shop, staffed by returning Uni students with degrees in H&S, business studies, marketing and fashion design. MDC are buying up stuff. The whole area around the nurses home is now in their hands with plans for a 100 plus houses........ Which MHK stood with this on their manifesto or when was this debated in Tynwald? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: MDC are buying up stuff. The whole area around the nurses home is now in their hands with plans for a 100 plus houses........ Which MHK stood with this on their manifesto or when was this debated in Tynwald? Is this true? Any evidence to back that up? Doesn't seem room for 10 houses let alone 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, offshoremanxman said: Chris Thomas sort of did. The worrying concern is mission creep. The MDC is there very sensibly to ensure long term neglected brown field sites are developed by government. If the mission of planning then becomes allowing them to snatch sites on the cheap where planning approval has been deliberately blocked then that’s entirely another matter all together as developers will just walk and the IOM will have just erected a huge “Closed for business” sign up over the IOM. I am sorry but why do we need another gov dept to start property development? If the sites could be built on economically, one of the developers here would have done it already. This looks like old manx mafia money owning stuff and wanting too much for its sale, that includes the government itself, overvaluing land. The old Summerland site should be "sold" with a multi million grant enough to sort out the cliff and a promise that the planning dept wont screw it up. Same for the nurses home site. Should have been gifted and let the free market take care of it. Can you imagine how many wannabe property developers in the CS are now sitting well chuffed smoking a cigar thinking they are the new Dandara...............Between 9am and 4:30pm weekdays with their phones turned off at other times, just like the private sector do... The MDC is just wrong, very very wrong. Sadly, it is also a very public show to the wider word that our economy does not work and that it is wholly reliant on VAT overpayments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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