HiVibes Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, Banker said: Sorry Nations moaning mouthpiece aka 2112😀 Aha. like the BBC Banker Bollock Chops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 It was bought as a registered building and has been left to go to shit. The owners now say it’s beyond repair, ignoring that enforcement re regd buildings and planning application assessment now is in each case referenced against the condition as at date of registration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 11/16/2021 at 7:16 PM, Ramseyboi said: Road closed for emergency demolition. Could see that coming when I walked past a few weeks ago - as a result of sheer neglect. How is this continually allowed to happen? There will be something new and shiny there soon ( which is no bad thing) but there would of never been permission granted to demolish what was already there, so why just allow it to rot? Either make people preserve what is there OR allow them to demolish. This nonsense where you cant demolish but can let something fall into disrepair needs to come to an end as it benefits nobody. Almost two years later.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollag Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) Why would anyone register a building that has been dilapidated and in danger of collapse for over a 100 years ? IMHO thats where the fault lies 🙄 Edited September 22, 2023 by mollag 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 9 hours ago, mollag said: Why would anyone register a building that has been dilapidated and in danger of collapse for over a 100 years ? IMHO thats where the fault lies 🙄 ask peter kelly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josem Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 14 hours ago, ian rush said: It was bought as a registered building and has been left to go to shit. The owners now say it’s beyond repair, ignoring that enforcement re regd buildings and planning application assessment now is in each case referenced against the condition as at date of registration. The first sentence isn't true: The publicly available land transactions record confirms that 25-28 North Quay was purchased in 2016. Source: https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/government/open-data/economy/land-transactions/ However, the Former Newson's Trading Building 27-28 North Quay was registered on 13 April 2018 Source: https://www.gov.im/categories/planning-and-building-control/registered-buildings-and-conservation-areas/is-my-building-registered/ The registration of the building happened after it was purchased by the current owners, not before. It is inconceivable that the current owners would have bought the thing if they had know it was a registered building! The various professional investigations have found that the deterioration of the building happened long ago. If people wanted to save the thing, they should have done so in the 20th century, when it might have been possible. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I feel the pain, but to be fair any building whatsoever can be repaired/restored/refurbished. Although it takes skill, desire and money. I think the owners need to find a surveyor/lawyer who can argue effectively the case for dropping registration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 16 hours ago, ian rush said: It was bought as a registered building and has been left to go to shit. The owners now say it’s beyond repair, ignoring that enforcement re regd buildings and planning application assessment now is in each case referenced against the condition as at date of registration. It was bought with the intention of demolition and a new building being erected. The criminal fraternity of the IoM decided later to 'protect' another pile of crap for posterity and the great Manx nation! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Barlow said: I feel the pain, but to be fair any building whatsoever can be repaired/restored/refurbished. Although it takes skill, desire and money. I think the owners need to find a surveyor/lawyer who can argue effectively the case for dropping registration. If you read the documents on the planning application/appeal that's exactly what they have done. Sadly, the luddites have found someone to say the opposite! If they're that keen, let Masker, Guard, Kelly and Co. buy it and spend their own money on it. Hopefully, common sense will prevail, in the end. Edited September 23, 2023 by Nellie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 23 hours ago, Banker said: Sorry Nations moaning mouthpiece aka 2112😀 Yup, I’ll wear that with pride! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 It is a pity it has collapsed they could have stuck Peggy inside, very fitting resting place near the harbour. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Josem said: The first sentence isn't true: The publicly available land transactions record confirms that 25-28 North Quay was purchased in 2016. Source: https://www.gov.im/about-the-government/government/open-data/economy/land-transactions/ However, the Former Newson's Trading Building 27-28 North Quay was registered on 13 April 2018 Source: https://www.gov.im/categories/planning-and-building-control/registered-buildings-and-conservation-areas/is-my-building-registered/ The registration of the building happened after it was purchased by the current owners, not before. It is inconceivable that the current owners would have bought the thing if they had know it was a registered building! The various professional investigations have found that the deterioration of the building happened long ago. If people wanted to save the thing, they should have done so in the 20th century, when it might have been possible. Any disclosures to make on your interest in this topic @Josem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Nellie said: If you read the documents on the planning application/appeal that's exactly what they have done. Clearly not argued effectively enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Barlow said: Clearly not argued effectively enough. Consider the case if the decision was made by a jury consisting of the average-person-in-the-street - do you think the argument would have been effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 21 hours ago, ian rush said: It was bought as a registered building and has been left to go to shit. The owners now say it’s beyond repair, ignoring that enforcement re regd buildings and planning application assessment now is in each case referenced against the condition as at date of registration. Rubbish. It was listed after they purchased it, which is an absolute disgrace If this isn’t approved this week then heads need to roll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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