The Voice of Reason Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Numbnuts said: You know nothing about me !! I havent fallen into your perceived imaginary trap. My late father was born in India , my ex Asia. Shall I go on. You still havent understood my post . I commented that a group of people were Racist and admit it . I then made the point that those same people were equally for Brexit. I was making the observation from a neutral point of view. You really are anything but a voice of reason !! Not my trap but that of xenophobic Tory twats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Never forget the stigma and abuse I had to deal with in early teens as suffered with epilepsy. Living nightmare so feel for any disadvantaged or challenged individuals. No matter what age . 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Thank you Wrighty but whatever the terminology I really do still have sleepless nights occasionally when something jogs my memory about the poor, sad humans who had been banged away just because of a physical condition and I shall never, ever forget the massive improvement in their condition and life and description when they were given freedom to join in with society. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Not my trap but that of xenophobic Tory twats Haha thats funny , So now your suggesting I'm a tory. I'd quit if I was you your looking more stupid by the minute. And I dont think you are . Yes , misinformed and for sure try to justify so many cock ups but thats more a case of naivety. Also I repeat , I made observations based on facts. Not based on my stance on the subjects ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Numbnuts said: Haha thats funny , So now your suggesting I'm a tory. No I’m suggesting you fell into a Tory trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: No I’m suggesting you fell into a Tory trap. Ohhh dear I take it back , you are stupid !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 hours ago, wrighty said: Another point of pedantry - it was moron, not cretin. Cretinism is (was) used to describe the specific syndrome associated with neonatal hypothyroidism. Whatever the medical term of the day it will be used as an insult until it gets changed. We’ve gone through those to retarded, subnormal, learning difficulties, special needs, neurodiverse…. Each one becomes a schoolyard slur until they think up a new one. I have just learnt the very useful term Euphemism Treadmill. Wiki reckons cretin "has not been used in scientific endeavours since the middle of the 20th century" apart from the specialist use you mention. Which suggest it was in use before. But the other terms such as 'idiot' etc (usually based on the concepts of IQ and mental age) survived on till fairly recently, especially in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Roxanne said: I worked in a hostel in Leeds for ‘the mentally subnormal’. There’s was a beautiful old lady there who had spent thirty years locked up there. She had been placed in care because she’d got pregnant. There was nothing wrong with her apart from institutionalisation. You’re right, it was a dark place then. We had it here too back in the day in the form of Ballamona. It was pitiful to go into the wards ,when up there playing to the patients , and see the quality of life they were having to endure . Again lots only there because was nowhere else to put them and for many totally institutionalised and only life they had ever known. Late 60's early 70's . Edited November 19, 2021 by Numbnuts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 The cricketer who opened Pandora’s box is now accused of sending creepy messages to a young female some time ago. And so it goes on…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Naga Munchetty said she experienced racism every day. I agree that in the modern UK that's the norm. It's real... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 The what aboutery with Azeem Rafiq is a complete smokescreen to the institutuional problems and culture. Necking voddy (if he was) as grown man by choice is different from being forced redwine as a teen (if that happened). Going to work and experiencing routine racism and such a deficient response incomparable to a private conversation. Itll keep the gammons happy though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 3 hours ago, ian rush said: The what aboutery with Azeem Rafiq is a complete smokescreen to the institutuional problems and culture. Except it’s not though is it regrettably? If he is guilty, as claimed of anti semitism and misogyny, then surely he himself is party to the institutional problems and culture in our society. We all must be held accountable to the same standards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 There used to be a lot of racism against the Irish, Manx people suffer racism. My Mrs suffers a lot of sexism at work and a smell of racism because of her ethnicity. We all need to be minded of our mixed community. someone finding a minority aspect, whether it’s colour, sex, hair colour, nationality or anything, to belittle, usually have insecurities and inadequacies. GTFU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 13 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Except it’s not though is it regrettably? If he is guilty, as claimed of anti semitism and misogyny, then surely he himself is party to the institutional problems and culture in our society. We all must be held accountable to the same standards. The anti-semitic ones rather supported his evidence - There was (is?) a toxic culture in cricket dressing rooms. This is dressed up as banter but often leads to bullying. Sometimes the banter / bullying would have a racial dimension. Young players entering that environment, through bravado are wanting to fit in, often act against character and perpetuate the toxic banter. Rafiq admitted he'd made mistakes in this area too. The authorities let the situation continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 14 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Except it’s not though is it regrettably? If he is guilty, as claimed of anti semitism and misogyny, then surely he himself is party to the institutional problems and culture in our society. We all must be held accountable to the same standards. If we are honest with ourselves we have all been guilty of some form of prejudice or "ism". I can certainly think of times when I was growing up where I used words or phrases which are unacceptable now and should have been at the time. I never considered myself a bully but by using those terms about people both behind their backs and to their faces effectively made me a bully. Azeem Rafik has been brave enough to speak out against the racism that he faced and the culture at YCCC. Of course it does not excuse the anti-Semitism that he engaged in but he has come out and made a public apology. Interestingly, have you noticed that Shakespeares "Merchant of Venice" hasn't been "cancelled" despite it giving a very stereotypical and anti-Semitic? That text was actually on the reading list during my time at high school and we never discussed anti-Semitism when reviewing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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