GD4ELI Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Lagman said: Good luck - https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/30/five-asian-countries-80-percent-new-coal-power-investment "China, India, Indonesia, Japan and Vietnam plan to build more than 600 coal power units" Only white people fall for these things. Reminder - the UK effects less than 1% percent of the environment, the IOM doesn't even register on any scale. The comparison should be per head of population, not country size. Anyway - any intelligent person knows that humanity and our planet doesn't stand a chance. Pity the poor kids being born these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 14 hours ago, finlo said: Trying to ram heat pumps and the cost of running them down our throats for starters. Heat pumps can be very, very efficient and cost-effective. I may well be going in that direction in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, GD4ELI said: Heat pumps can be very, very efficient and cost-effective. I may well be going in that direction in 2023. They won't work as a direct replacement for oil or gas you would need to upgrade the size of all your rads (if even possible) or go UFH not to mention insulation so how much will all that cost? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, finlo said: They won't work as a direct replacement for oil or gas you would need to upgrade the size of all your rads (if even possible) or go UFH not to mention insulation so how much will all that cost? Quite a lot. I'll see how the solar cells work - I'm surprised I haven't seen storage heaters (economy 7) for use with solar power. I'm down in Cornwall, 2 to 3 degrees warmer than the rock, don't need as much heating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: Quite a lot. And there you have it, despite what the likes of daft Daphne thinks most people aren't rolling in spare cash! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 16 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: I'll see how the solar cells work - I'm surprised I haven't seen storage heaters (economy 7) for use with solar power. There's no technical reasons why you can't but you'll need a hell of an array to power them something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, finlo said: And there you have it, despite what the likes of daft Daphne thinks most people aren't rolling in spare cash! So government provides low / zero interest loans, enforces solar cell installations on house purchases (*). Within a few years it'll be time to replace my oil boiler (I use 300l / year) so will look at heat pumps then. ~50 years ago government provided low cost or even free (I think) heating for houses which just had a coal fire, I remember my mother took advantage of this. * When a house changes hands the new purchases should be legally obliged to install solar cells if the roof orientation is suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, finlo said: There's no technical reasons why you can't but you'll need a hell of an array to power them something like this. No you wouldn't - just search the spec of consumer storage heaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: So government provides low / zero interest loans, enforces solar cell installations on house purchases (*). Within a few years it'll be time to replace my oil boiler (I use 300l / year) so will look at heat pumps then. ~50 years ago government provided low cost or even free (I think) heating for houses which just had a coal fire, I remember my mother took advantage of this. * When a house changes hands the new purchases should be legally obliged to install solar cells if the roof orientation is suitable. Wouldn't it be great if there was an unexpected windfall to fund that, not just for private housing, but public housing? Imagine what landlords will do if they have to install the new tech without govt assistance? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, Gladys said: Wouldn't it be great if there was an unexpected windfall to fund that, not just for private housing, but public housing? Imagine what landlords will do if they have to install the new tech without govt assistance? Government doesn't need a windfall, and any profit from gas extraction isn't going to happen quickly. You really place too much confidence in the elected buffoonery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 45 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: Government doesn't need a windfall, and any profit from gas extraction isn't going to happen quickly. You really place too much confidence in the elected buffoonery. Says an unelected radio ham/climate change expert in Cornwall. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 49 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: Government doesn't need a windfall, Have you seen the state of the finances? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 The average domestic solar array produces around 4Kw max (mid summer) and storage heaters consume beetween 2 and 4 kw's each so I suspect you may be disappointed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, James Blonde said: Have you seen the state of the finances? Yes. Government doesn't need a windfall to spend money, they'll do what they want. Priority 1: TT Priority 2: ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 hours ago, GD4ELI said: Yes. Government doesn't need a windfall to spend money, they'll do what they want. Priority 1: TT Priority 2: ... Priority 1: Government Priority 2: Government's Mates (TT being but one avenue) Priority 3: Everybody else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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