0bserver Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Seems Tynwald has slipped back into their old ways. I had hopes that Cannan would have come out of the traps and chased down this gas survey. Instead they're treading water talking shite about prayers and horse trams. It's like it's still 2016. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 54 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: How much was it £120Million?, built in 2003 - so what's left on the debt? ETA the loan that is, not the power station? £350M+ when it first came to light in 2005 IIRC. Interest due to Barclays drove it up initially. Since then it's been taken under Treasury's wing, restructured a couple of times and daubed liberally with a few coats of whitewash. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 12 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said: The price of daylight, wind and the tides remain free and our supply is secure. A bit of foresight would have prevented the current problems, perhaps we should start now to avoid future problems. Yes. There is no excuse for us having no solar or wind. It would certainly have eased the pain. Not sure sure about Tidal though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Yes. There is no excuse for us having no solar or wind. It would certainly have eased the pain. Not sure sure about Tidal though. Tidal's great in theory, poor in practice. Big problem is maintenance. For a windy rock there's no excuse at all for not having wind turbines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 minute ago, GD4ELI said: Tidal's great in theory, poor in practice. Big problem is maintenance. For a windy rock there's no excuse at all for not having wind turbines. Tidal has not taken off globally, not compared to the other two. Yes maintenance issues but also you need natural features to exploit. I cannot think of how you could possibly implement it on a small Island anyway. The only place that comes to mind would be the Sound. A barrage could be constructed across to the Calf. The environmentalists would love that and it would generate bugger all electricity anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, Happier diner said: Tidal has not taken off globally, not compared to the other two. Yes maintenance issues but also you need natural features to exploit. I cannot think of how you could possibly implement it on a small Island anyway. The only place that comes to mind would be the Sound. A barrage could be constructed across to the Calf. The environmentalists would love that and it would generate bugger all electricity anyway. There's a race off the Point of Ayre, also round Peel I think? Anyway the IOM's just not big enough to host a tidal generator on a feasible scale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: There's a race off the Point of Ayre, also round Peel I think? Anyway the IOM's just not big enough to host a tidal generator on a feasible scale. Definitely the point of Ayre. But they usually use a narrow bay, channel or an estuary and effectively trap/focus the tide. The Sound could work, maybe Derbyhaven also? But realistically there are better options than tidal. I'm not sure about a race off Peel. Most of the significant headlands at some state of the tide do have a bit of a race, but they are highly localised. Contrary Head just south of Peel has some fairly crazy water (hence the name) but it's more swirly than a directional race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 12 hours ago, 0bserver said: Instead they're treading water talking shite about prayers and horse trams. It's like it's still 2016. Depressingly accurate. Although more like 1816... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: Depressingly accurate. Although more like 1816... In the 1800 and 1900s things actually happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 2 hours ago, GD4ELI said: Anyway the IOM's just not big enough to host a tidal generator on a feasible scale. There was one on a programme about the Orkney's generation schemes a couple of months ago, it was the size of a commercial aircraft, say a 747. Surely that could be installed off the Point or down around the Calf area? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 32 minutes ago, GD4ELI said: In the 1800 and 1900s things actually happened. Like durable Promenades getting built.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, Non-Believer said: There was one on a programme about the Orkney's generation schemes a couple of months ago, it was the size of a commercial aircraft, say a 747. Surely that could be installed off the Point or down around the Calf area? It could but why would we mess around with unproven technology that would never get off the ground when we can't even get our arses into gear and use established technology. The fact that we haven't got a single wind turbine, either in the sea or on land, has got to be a national embarrassment. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 A few years ago there was a proposal to site a wind farm in the South Barrule area. It was vehemently opposed, oddly enough, by the environmentalists who claimed, amongst other things, that there were squadrons of hen-harriers in the locality that would commit hari-kari against the blades of the turbines. I wonder if the same attitude of opposition would exist now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 7 hours ago, Happier diner said: The fact that we haven't got a single wind turbine, either in the sea or on land, has got to be a national embarrassment. Not only that, they want to dig for gas so that we don't even have to consider the idea for at least another ten years. The only consolation is that, had we installed a wind farm it would undoubtedly have been the most expensive in the world at at least four times the original price, would not yet be finished and would be only producing a fraction of the electricity it was supposed to. Also the debt incurred would prevent us to moving on to more efficient renewables until well after the sun had burnt itself out making solar unviable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: A few years ago there was a proposal to site a wind farm in the South Barrule area. It was vehemently opposed, oddly enough, by the environmentalists who claimed, amongst other things, that there were squadrons of hen-harriers in the locality that would commit hari-kari against the blades of the turbines. I wonder if the same attitude of opposition would exist now? Are hen harriers particularly stupid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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