Ham_N_Eggs Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 How much of this money does anyone expect to come back to the Island? This is a private enterprise and will be privately owned and the Government coffers will see very little from it. The gas itself will probably cost us more because they'll slap a manx to the max label on it. I just don't get why people think this is going to make the Island rich? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markduc Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: How much of this money does anyone expect to come back to the Island? This is a private enterprise and will be privately owned and the Government coffers will see very little from it. The gas itself will probably cost us more because they'll slap a manx to the max label on it. I just don't get why people think this is going to make the Island rich? Look at it another way mhk ashford on the radio the other day more or said the government weren’t going to pay for all the change to green energy, so private firms putting up poor performing wind turbines with a guaranteed price per kWh just when electricity the use of electricity will quadruple’s because of even worse performing heating appliances so what’s to lose , the gov should be investing in the gas to fund the new nuclear options 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 59 minutes ago, Markduc said: Don’t really see what the problem is with extracting gas here is the greenie crackpots spend a lot of time telling anyone daft enough to listen to them how green Norway is , but they are the 7th biggest gas exporter in the world so must be ok I've never had a green crackpot telling me how green Norway is. And I am certainly daft enough to listen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Markduc said: Look at it another way mhk ashford on the radio the other day more or said the government weren’t going to pay for all the change to green energy, so private firms putting up poor performing wind turbines with a guaranteed price per kWh just when electricity the use of electricity will quadruple’s because of even worse performing heating appliances so what’s to lose , the gov should be investing in the gas to fund the new nuclear options Are there firms that specialise in poor performing wind turbines? Welcome to the forum btw😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markduc Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Are there firms that specialise in poor performing wind turbines? Welcome to the forum btw😁 All wind turbines are poor performing measured against more reliable electricity generation they only work when they want not when you need them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Markduc said: All wind turbines are poor performing measured against more reliable electricity generation they only work when they want not when you need them And they need the 'right kind of wind' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: How much of this money does anyone expect to come back to the Island? This is a private enterprise and will be privately owned and the Government coffers will see very little from it. The gas itself will probably cost us more because they'll slap a manx to the max label on it. I just don't get why people think this is going to make the Island rich? Because even if 0.1% more money does "come back to the island" then it's a better deal than we've got now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 2 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: I don’t think anyone is suggesting it will make the IOM rich. But it’s mad not to give them a chance for minimal cost to prove there’s something of value down there or not. Once (if) that’s proven then the licenses and royalties can be negotiated. As it stands at the moment we’re buying natural gas direct from Vladimir Putin. We're not. The UK meets about half of its gas requirements from the North Sea, while another third is sourced from Norway. The rest is imported by pipelines connecting the UK to Europe, or in the form of liquefied natural gas, which is transported by tankers typically from Qatar or the US. In fact the UK gas producers, during a gas crisis, are sending more gas to Europe because they can get a better price. That is the problem with private companies running your gas supply they'll go where the money is. The Norwegians are now benefiting from public ownership like the UK would have been if the Tories hadn't sold the family silverware. It's better to move away from reliance on fossil fuels to secure our energy independence from the corporation's that care only for profit and the mad despots of the world using their control over natural resources to feed their thirst for power. I include those running the UK in that as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: I don’t think anyone is suggesting it will make the IOM rich. But it’s mad not to give them a chance for minimal cost to prove there’s something of value down there or not. Once (if) that’s proven then the licenses and royalties can be negotiated. As it stands at the moment we’re buying natural gas direct from Vladimir Putin. Less than 5% of UK gas comes from Russia. I doubt that they buy it direct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Wind turbines are great at turning free energy into very expensive electricity, which if it weren't for subsidy very few consumers would be able to afford ! Years ago we should have been investing in tidal technology. If you take into account the money wasted by successive governments here, we could have been ahead of the game, but I guess whilst you are building a power station costing ridiculous sums of money ( amusingly, whilst the guy who was in charge was in fact heavily committed to renewables in another venture ) the political drive wasn't there to do so. Now that we are looking down the back of the sofa for pennies, I suspect that we will have to grasp any opportunity afforded to us ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 29 minutes ago, asitis said: Wind turbines are great at turning free energy into very expensive electricity, which if it weren't for subsidy very few consumers would be able to afford ! Years ago we should have been investing in tidal technology. If you take into account the money wasted by successive governments here, we could have been ahead of the game, but I guess whilst you are building a power station costing ridiculous sums of money ( amusingly, whilst the guy who was in charge was in fact heavily committed to renewables in another venture ) the political drive wasn't there to do so. Now that we are looking down the back of the sofa for pennies, I suspect that we will have to grasp any opportunity afforded to us ! Subsidy in 2020 was ~£70 per head of UK population. A small price to pay. By comparison the Island is paying ~£350 per head of population for the Douglas prom, £900 for the Liverpool landing stage. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 50 minutes ago, asitis said: Wind turbines are great at turning free energy into very expensive electricity, which if it weren't for subsidy very few consumers would be able to afford ! Years ago we should have been investing in tidal technology. If you take into account the money wasted by successive governments here, we could have been ahead of the game, but I guess whilst you are building a power station costing ridiculous sums of money ( amusingly, whilst the guy who was in charge was in fact heavily committed to renewables in another venture ) the political drive wasn't there to do so. Now that we are looking down the back of the sofa for pennies, I suspect that we will have to grasp any opportunity afforded to us ! I agree with you except for this. (Years ago we should have been investing in tidal technology.)Tidal technology is not suitable for the Isle of Man as we do not have the natural features available to us to make it feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I agree with you except for this. (Years ago we should have been investing in tidal technology.)Tidal technology is not suitable for the Isle of Man as we do not have the natural features available to us to make it feasible. I don't know enough about it to agree / disagree on this however it does seem to me that with very high tidal levels here surely it was worth at least looking seriously at the project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, asitis said: I don't know enough about it to agree / disagree on this however it does seem to me that with very high tidal levels here surely it was worth at least looking seriously at the project. To harness the power of the tide, you need to capture the tide. The Sound would work. If you think about it, its a natural barrage. However its too small to be of any real benefit and there is no infrastructure there (cables). To build a barrage would cost too much and render the project infeasible. Strangford Loch in Northern Ireland is the kind of thing you need. It fills up and empties twice a day and the opening is restricted making it perfect for tidal energy. The Isle of Man is too regular and lacking in natural features. The only thing you could do is place free turbines in areas where there are high tidal currents (for example off the Point of Ayre). However these are much less efficient (as the head of water is much lower as you cannot trap the water) and with the storms we have, at risk of being lost/damaged. Here are a couple of useful links https://www.renewable-technology.com/projects/strangford-lough-tidal-turbine-northern-ireland/ https://www.emec.org.uk/marine-energy/tidal-devices/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Happier diner said: To harness the power of the tide, you need to capture the tide. The Sound would work. If you think about it, its a natural barrage. However its too small to be of any real benefit and there is no infrastructure there (cables). To build a barrage would cost too much and render the project infeasible. Strangford Loch in Northern Ireland is the kind of thing you need. It fills up and empties twice a day and the opening is restricted making it perfect for tidal energy. The Isle of Man is too regular and lacking in natural features. The only thing you could do is place free turbines in areas where there are high tidal currents (for example off the Point of Ayre). However these are much less efficient (as the head of water is much lower as you cannot trap the water) and with the storms we have, at risk of being lost/damaged. Here are a couple of useful links https://www.renewable-technology.com/projects/strangford-lough-tidal-turbine-northern-ireland/ https://www.emec.org.uk/marine-energy/tidal-devices/ So what you're saying is we should dig up then flood Bride. I'm down for that. Edited February 23, 2022 by Ham_N_Eggs Did to a dig. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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