hissingsid Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share Posted May 19, 2022 All of the contenders for a seat in Tynwald give a nod to the green dream it is a vote catcher for a proportion of the population. However it is a dream and is unlikely to happen anytime soon, in the meantime it is criminal to ignore the gas which is going to cost nothing to explore and hopefully utilize. Crogga are not venturing into this operation for the good of it’s health they obviously imagine they will make money out of it, whether the Isle of Man will who knows 🤔 but it has got to be worth while having a supply of gas within reach especially in these uncertain times. As for ruining the sea life the poor birds are suffering greatly with the wind farms especially the migrating ones so that is okay then ? These people do not have a clue, they offer no alternatives they are attention seekers at best and should be concentrating on matters that they can improve. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Trees aren't as "green" as they think. Trees absorb carbon dioxide as they grow, but then die and release it, whether by rotting away or by being burned. There's no net loss of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere unless you find a way to store the wood so it never decays ever. They don't contribute much oxygen to the atmosphere either, since the majority of oxygen comes from algae in the oceans. Burning wood from a plantation where it's periodically replaced with new trees is pretty carbon neutral. Planting new trees will only temporarily remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere until they die and return it, so it's not a long-term solution to climate change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 The decision on whether or not to extract gas (if a commercially viable reserve is found) is too big of a decision for Tynwald to make. It must be put to the Great Manx Public in the form of a simple yes / no referendum. It's the most democratic way to decide what is potentially the most transformative event in the island's last 200 years. If the green lobby are so confident that they have so much public support then they won't be scared of this idea. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 9:19 PM, Two-lane said: It seems that much of the discussion is about using solar or wind energy for home use. Conserving energy at an individual level. It is generally thought that the most important factor for life is water, but the reality is that the most important thing for civilised life is electricity. Without electricity there is no water, no operating theaters, no refrigerated medicines, no airport landing lights, no communications and so on. It is possible to reduce the electricity consumption for households using using insulation/solar/wind , but industry, society, requires a large amount of rock-solid supply. Note that if there is a single point of supply, a failure of that supply would be catastrophic. If the IoM relies only on the UK inter-connector, that is a big problem. Inter-connectors have failed, and they take a long time (possibly months) to fix. Local power stations are essential. According to the engineers recommendations, The long term plan is to have 2 new interconnectors. Both capable of full capacity thus giving n+1 redundancy thus further removing the need for power stations on island 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Our weather guru favours wind energy https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/wind-power-is-efficient-and-reliant-says-met-office-forecaster/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Happier diner said: According to the engineers recommendations, The long term plan is to have 2 new interconnectors. Both capable of full capacity thus giving n+1 redundancy thus further removing the need for power stations on island I am a pessimist, and always take a conservative view. There have been some instances of inter-connector failures - this is one: https://www.ft.com/content/52e957a6-b64a-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9 In the above case, although there were several cables, the common-mode failure was for all the cables to be in one place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Two-lane said: I am a pessimist, and always take a conservative view. There have been some instances of inter-connector failures - this is one: https://www.ft.com/content/52e957a6-b64a-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9 In the above case, although there were several cables, the common-mode failure was for all the cables to be in one place. There would have to be no common mode, I agree. Separate cables from separate sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Our weather guru favours wind energy https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/wind-power-is-efficient-and-reliant-says-met-office-forecaster/ Good for him, lots of wind turbines down here. Shame on the rock for not having any. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 43 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Our weather guru favours wind energy https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/wind-power-is-efficient-and-reliant-says-met-office-forecaster/ thats fine for him and he is entitled to an opinion to but he doesn't have the responsibility for the Islands electricity supply or carry the can when the lights go out , we require a number of strings to our bow , and energy security is of the uppermost importance , and I cant understand MHK's like Daffy seemingly allowed to go off and undermine government policy ,and develop her own so called green agenda , 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Omobono said: thats fine for him and he is entitled to an opinion to but he doesn't have the responsibility for the Islands electricity supply or carry the can when the lights go out , we require a number of strings to our bow , and energy security is of the uppermost importance , and I cant understand MHK's like Daffy seemingly allowed to go off and undermine government policy ,and develop her own so called green agenda , I agree it's not his thing. However, what he is saying is that its usually windy here so all that potential is going to waste. It's the cheapest renewable by a country mile. Good for him for having to guts to say it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: I agree it's not his thing. However, what he is saying is that its usually windy here so all that potential is going to waste. It's the cheapest renewable by a country mile. Good for him for having to guts to say it. Don't have a problem if we supplement our electricity supply with some wind powered generators , but when the wind doesn't blow or we have too much wind and the blades are feathered you need something more sustainable , the correct mix for the Island is something the experts are working up now ,and in fairness it should include another inter connector cable to the UK , forget wave and tidal for the moment both very expensive and high maintenance , as greener energy options are further developed there will be plenty of opportunities to revisit our energy policy ,especially when Ukraine , world fuel costs and the massive cost of dealing with Covid are starting to be resolved and when we can actually be in a better position to afford to do something , and what might be the cost the taxpayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Omobono said: the correct mix for the Island is something the experts are working up now Talk in the Prospect is of another £250m bond/loan being taken out to pay for this 'correct mix'. That will take us to £650m of debt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 9:32 PM, hissingsid said: All of the contenders for a seat in Tynwald give a nod to the green dream it is a vote catcher for a proportion of the population Is it though? How many Green Party MHKs do we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 The map that is frequently shown for this gas field shows a huge chunk in our waters and a little bit beyond our waters. Is that little bit actually a big bit that could be exploited from English waters rather that our own??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Kopek said: The map that is frequently shown for this gas field shows a huge chunk in our waters and a little bit beyond our waters. Is that little bit actually a big bit that could be exploited from English waters rather that our own??? They can drill sideways enough from miles away to suck dry anything that we may be sitting on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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