Andy Onchan Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, thommo2010 said: Our sea terminal is fine. It has what 3 arrivals a day, people are in and out those waiting to board have a coffee shop and somewhere to gey papers if they so wish. We are not an international hub so we don't need an all singing all dancing ferry port Agreed but I guess at some stage the asbestos issue will have to be dealt with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 In these straightened times the only issue should be is it fit for purpose? Move along please, nothing to see here... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: Agreed but I guess at some stage the asbestos issue will have to be dealt with. I'm not saying it couldn't do with a lick of paint and a bit of maintenance but we don't need to demolish it and build a new one 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: It's clearly not the worst by a long way. I'm not sure why you have that impression. True. For a minimal amount of taxpayers cash it can be tidied up. Painting, plastering the ceiling of the baggage reclaim area. Fortunes need not be spent but it needs tidying up. Tidy up the outsides to make it pleasant and inviting. Some of the other parts it looks like a tatty MNH exhibit in a time warp to the late Victorian early Edwardian period 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 46 minutes ago, 2112 said: True. For a minimal amount of taxpayers cash it can be tidied up. Painting, plastering the ceiling of the baggage reclaim area. Fortunes need not be spent but it needs tidying up. Tidy up the outsides to make it pleasant and inviting. Some of the other parts it looks like a tatty MNH exhibit in a time warp to the late Victorian early Edwardian period Just think "vaccine hubs" to fully appreciate the irony of that statement... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 The Sea Terminal is one of the finest designed buildings on the island. This should be registered. It need modernisation but with great care. Start with removing the outside additions like the hideous windows/ rooms that have been built under the "crown" to give it back its style. Criminal if this was dropped. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 54 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said: The Sea Terminal is one of the finest designed buildings on the island. This should be registered. It need modernisation but with great care. Start with removing the outside additions like the hideous windows/ rooms that have been built under the "crown" to give it back its style. Criminal if this was dropped. It's certainly of it's time and you'd hope that any revamping would be sensitively done. I know a lot of people don't particularly like it but it would be a shame if it was, as you say, dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 hours ago, 2112 said: it looks like a tatty MNH exhibit in a time warp to the late Victorian early Edwardian period It's the best of 1960s Retro. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Boris Johnson said: The Sea Terminal is one of the finest designed buildings on the island. This should be registered. It need modernisation but with great care. Start with removing the outside additions like the hideous windows/ rooms that have been built under the "crown" to give it back its style. Criminal if this was dropped. I couldn't agree more. As you say, if anything it should be reinstated back to its former self. I was walking past the old nurse's home on Westmorland Road today. That's a nice building of unusual architecture on the island. It's a shame to see it not being used. It would make ideal offices for some government departments with a bit of a refurb. Does the government own it? Do they have any plans for it? Or is it just to be left to rot and be sold to a developer to knock down and build more soulless "luxury" flats? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 Apparently it is a bad state inside has been used by police for training, a shame as it would have been a great spot for social housing there are a lot of single people who need decent, inexpensive accommodation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 19 hours ago, Derek Flint said: Going which way? Work out the per head cost over even the next 30 years and it will be even more than the subsidy costs for the Horse trams. Inbound to the island. Mostly residents who've gone across for shopping/football/drinking. None of which you can do in Heysham. The Steam Packet needs a presence in Liverpool. Regardless of whether the Half-Tide Dock is the right location (doubtful) and whether it needs an all-singing terminal (doubtful), pulling out of the city isn't really an option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 11/27/2021 at 12:43 PM, Manx17 said: That isn’t per sailing to Liverpool though and the Heysham sailing is mostly for the use of freight . It is. The Saturday and Sunday night crossings usually had 300+ on them, hence the problems at the Sea Terminal processing them. The last one of the season had 500 on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, Manx17 said: Not from the Isle of Man they didn’t as I got all numbers for every sailing every day. The most passengers on the mannann are on the grand national day and people leaving after TT fortnight . After that I would say 150/ 200 on a Saturday. So maybe your writing about leaving Liverpool and people are returning after taking a break away. Over the last decade ( excluding Covid ) SPCo has carried approx 600,000 a year. Strip out the Irish routes and Heysham and Liverpool averaged 270,000 approx each. There are more sailings between IoM and Heysham, up to 28 a week and 52 weeks a year. So, yes, on average, per sailing, more come off the SeaCat. However more travel on Ben my Chree on day time sailings than overnight. So the numbers of arrivals through putting the Sea Terminal from day time sailings ( arrivals at 13.00, 18.00 and 22.00 aren’t on average much different between the Conventional and fast craft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Ringy Rose said: Inbound to the island. Mostly residents who've gone across for shopping/football/drinking. None of which you can do in Heysham. The Steam Packet needs a presence in Liverpool. Regardless of whether the Half-Tide Dock is the right location (doubtful) and whether it needs an all-singing terminal (doubtful), pulling out of the city isn't really an option. It’s not worth £60m. If folk wanted to go to Liverpool take the plane. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Manx17 said: So maybe your writing about leaving Liverpool and people are returning after taking a break away. Yep, inbound from Liverpool, and those are the numbers I've been told are processed by the borders lot. Maybe it's slightly less in a "normal" year. 2 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: It’s not worth £60m. If folk wanted to go to Liverpool take the plane. The cost of the option they chose doesn't mean a Liverpool port isn't required. 49 minutes ago, Manx17 said: It would be good to find out if more people would prefer the Heysham sailing , as a lot of vehicle owners sailing on the Ben prefer it. If you're driving then the big issue with Liverpool is you get chucked out right in the city centre right in the middle of rush hour. Now you don't have to go through Lancaster to get to the M6, Heysham has an advantage there. The down side is four hours on the Ben. For foot passengers, the problem at Heysham is there's little public transport, other than the one train off the morning boat that takes an age to get to Lancaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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