hampsterkahn Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) The argument about smokers and their tax contribution v their personal cost the Health Service was satirized many, many years ago: Proud of the revenue paid on his tobacco, a fuming Alf Garnett takes his pipe from in his “ marth”, stands straight to attention to assert, “Listen, ma son, Oi am smokin’ for ENGland!” Edited December 9, 2021 by hampsterkahn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 What a lovely puritanical world we're building. All of you anti-smokers probably enjoy a drink or two. How about we ban the sale of alcohol next? Then sex before marriage. I'm glad I'm getting too old for this Brave New World to affect my choices. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 A confirmed smoker friend did a stint at Halley Base in Antarctica i.e it's not like you can nip out for a fag. All those who smoked took those vaping things. All quit the habit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Difficult one. Dislike Government intervening in people's personal freedoms. Also dislike large multinationals profiting disgusting amounts off people's suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Stu Peters said: What a lovely puritanical world we're building. All of you anti-smokers probably enjoy a drink or two. How about we ban the sale of alcohol next? Then sex before marriage. I'm glad I'm getting too old for this Brave New World to affect my choices. So what is your stance on other drugs then? If you are pro-smoker, how about pro-heroine or pro-cocaine? What about glue sniffing? Why not lower the age for alcohol to 16, after all they old enough to drive and vote, why not drink too? What are the benefits of smoking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, CallMeCurious said: So what is your stance on other drugs then? If you are pro-smoker, how about pro-heroine or pro-cocaine? What about glue sniffing? Why not lower the age for alcohol to 16, after all they old enough to drive and vote, why not drink too? What are the benefits of smoking? There don't need to be benefits of smoking to oppose criminalisation of private individuals for something that should be a private decision. Other drugs should be decriminalised too, for possession and personal use. And should have similar levels of support available as stop-smoking and stop-drinking campaigns/treatments have. And if you don't care about the immorality of making it illegal, it also straight up doesn't work. Prohibition anyone? War on drugs? Not exactly famously successful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, CallMeCurious said: So what is your stance on other drugs then? If you are pro-smoker, how about pro-heroine or pro-cocaine? What about glue sniffing? Why not lower the age for alcohol to 16, after all they old enough to drive and vote, why not drink too? What are the benefits of smoking? That's fair. There's a difference between being pro-smoking (I think for the most part it's a horrid habit and wish I'd not spent 40 years doing it) and wanting to impose my will on others 'for their own good'. I'd raise the age of everything (including voting) to 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: That's fair. There's a difference between being pro-smoking (I think for the most part it's a horrid habit and wish I'd not spent 40 years doing it) and wanting to impose my will on others 'for their own good'. I'd raise the age of everything (including voting) to 18. that reminds of the Benny Hill quote “Have you noticed that all the people in favour of birth control are already born?” so now you're over 18 you think all of lifes vices should be limited to over 18's ? i suspect when people were fucking, drinking and smoking before they were supposed to they had a different idea about things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Stu Peters said: .. wanting to impose my will on others 'for their own good'. ..for the good of society. Thou's an MHK now, you have to try and look at matters from a whole new angle. Edited December 10, 2021 by Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) I hate smoking with a passion. Lost my mum to it , smoked all her life , and lost someone who I was to marry , who had smoked in her earlier life , all to cancer related issues brought on by smoking. Its left a lasting hatred to it and even vaping leaves me cold as the association is enough. Hate when in town and you get prats blowing out big clouds of vaping smoke as they walk by. And people standing outside shops 'enjoying' their habit again leaves me asking why , just why!. However I understand how difficult it is to quit for many , some dont make a big enough effort mind , so will never want to impose my own thoughts on others. I guess if someone wants to probably speed up the death by doing it crack on. Just try not to affect me along the way. To this day sadly I cant date a female who smokes and that stance I'm not proud off but I just cant help the strong feeling it brings to the for. And yes I drink be it moderately but passive drinking last time I looked never really hurt anyone while passive smoking clearly has. Roy Castle anyone !? Edited December 10, 2021 by Numbnuts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Barlow said: ..for the good of society. Thou's an MHK now, you have to try and look at matters from a whole new angle. Oh I do. I do lateral thinking, but I'm getting a sore neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagman Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 12:20 PM, Barlow said: Could the Isle of Man be so bold? Or just ban it ASAP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany On 12/9/2021 at 12:20 PM, Barlow said: Maybe if our existing tobacco addicts had to try and illegally score their drug and scuttle home to imbibe in private, they would realise how ridiculous* cigarettes really are? As long as you apply the same logic to alcohol. On 12/9/2021 at 12:20 PM, Barlow said: disgusting, filthy, smelly, needless, unhealthy, generally harmful Is that smoking or your business card? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagman Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 12:38 PM, wrighty said: I came up with a policy like this, but nobody listened obviously. My version, I think, was anyone born after 2000 would not be able to buy fags. UK gov beat you to it - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/630217/Towards_a_Smoke_free_Generation_-_A_Tobacco_Control_Plan_for_England_2017-2022__2_.pdf This is already in the pipeline (as is eating insects and monthly vaccinations). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagman Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 On 12/9/2021 at 6:40 PM, Barlow said: Cost of health care, ICU etc for smokers? They probably paid for yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Numbnuts said: And yes I drink be it moderately but passive drinking last time I looked never really hurt anyone while passive smoking clearly has. Perhaps you should look at the relationship between alcohol and domestic abuse/violence, or equally the statistics relating to drink driving, sexual assault, violent assault etc and the relationship to alcohol. The idea that one person's alcohol consumption cannot harm another person is a bit naive Edited December 11, 2021 by Newbie 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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