Numbnuts Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: And I don’t want to argue with you tonight of all nights. But we do live in a democratic society and through the ballot box is the best, in fact the only way to have input and control. Not sure what else you can suggest that would give more control and input(the Government do issue consultation papers on matters of inviting contributons on matters of importance) . Readily go on the Mannin line on Manx Radio to engage with the electorat Happy New Year Is it really democratic though. Yes they do issue consutation papers and for the most part those same papers are ignored. There's a room in Government buildings just full of reports most not seen the light of day. And do you really feel that most of the elected make a difference. Very minimal if lucky. For the most part they haven't the skill set to make that difference. The going on Manx Radio etc is just going through the motions and trying to make the right noises . The CS run our Island regardless led by the Chief Secretary . Edited December 31, 2021 by Numbnuts 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Max Power said: If we encouraged the establishment of a university here, it could lead the growth of the economy in specialist fields I know schools have been having classes outside but I'm not sure about running a Uni from a field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 We need to move away from representative democracy and move toward direct democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 This is not a democratically governed society by any measure. The electorate choose candidates without any assurance that their promises given on the doorstep will be enacted or observed in any way; any policy is decided later by an individual (CM) chosen without any input from the electorate. The only constant is the presence and influence of the Chief Secretary and the Civil Service. Those who suggest otherwise are invariably from that system which benefits, IMHO. 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I'd like to see the island run for the good of its population and where taxpayers money is treated with respect. Empire builders and wasters reined in, and a set of priorities clearly spelled out for the CS by the politicos. Accountability must be introduced at all levels and wholesale waste ironed out, we cannot pay enough taxes at the moment to cover the amount of grand schemes and wastage throughout the administration. We can and should be so much better than we are ! 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 13 hours ago, Two-lane said: Even if another 10,000 people arrived, there would immediately be someone saying that things would be much better if another 10,000 people arrived. This is the constant expansion theory - "we need to expand" - which is in effect a pyramid scheme. (Unless there are research papers on the minimum survivable population size of semi-isolated islands, and that the IoM has not yet reached it) There are people (probably politicians) saying that Douglas needs a 7-screen cinema, or Ramsey needs a marina, or we need more taxpayers. But it is not possible for an island, or the world, to have a never-ending population increase, nor a never-ending concreting over of the landscape. At some point the population of the island will need to be restricted. And if you say that limit is not yet reached, how will anyone know that unless the limit is defined? We have plenty of space for more residents, smaller islands like Jersey & Guernsey have a lot higher population density & still have massive demand from immigration. higher population would bring more doctors, dentists etc & encourage younger population to stay 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, asitis said: I'd like to see the island run for the good of its population and where taxpayers money is treated with respect. Empire builders and wasters reined in, and a set of priorities clearly spelled out for the CS by the politicos. Accountability must be introduced at all levels and wholesale waste ironed out, we cannot pay enough taxes at the moment to cover the amount of grand schemes and wastage throughout the administration. We can and should be so much better than we are ! Like someone with an addiction issue, it is said that the first step is admitting the problem, then agreeing to seek help, and following through with the treatment. IOMG have a problem with wasting taxpayers money on badly thought out and poorly executed grandiose capital infrastructure schemes. A civil service treated like they are untouchable, above the law, unaccountable to anyone and allowed to run riot over a population. Examples - the Douglas Promenade and Liverpool Landing Stage. IOMs executive and politico’s are unprepared to rock the boat for fear of the civil servants rising up and causing trouble, with threats of industrial action if a trade Union takes sleight of actions or words, and if it can’t get its own way at the negotiating table. Example - Manx Care and DHSC. Unfortunately Alf Cannan is weak, like ex CM Quayle is unprepared to make very unpopular decisions, if he does, it is totally poor communicated. I will imagine that upon a decision being made, IOMNP Facebook will have mobilised an army of objectors, petitions raised and Alf, Ashy et al, will roll over and surrender. The GMP would accept tough choices if those at the top, and the civil servants were affected as well. Like the current controversy of the UK Government and 10 Downing Street staff having gatherings has upset the public immensely, it could have happened within IOMG, such is their contempt for its population. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, Banker said: We have plenty of space for more residents, smaller islands like Jersey & Guernsey have a lot higher population density & still have massive demand from immigration. higher population would bring more doctors, dentists etc & encourage younger population to stay I’m sure the Calf of Man and Kitterland could be developed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 57 minutes ago, Banker said: We have plenty of space for more residents, smaller islands like Jersey & Guernsey have a lot higher population density & still have massive demand from immigration. higher population would bring more doctors, dentists etc & encourage younger population to stay So, is there a reason you don't live there ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Just now, doc.fixit said: So, is there a reason you don't live there ? Did do temporarily but it’s too expensive to buy & massive demand, I prefer the larger open space here but we do lack the quality hotels, restaurants they have & even with a much larger population we would still have more open spaces than similar islands. Its just a response to the question asked & I personally think we need a much larger working population living here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Thanks for the reply. I rather think the massive govt. outlay and the expenditure on needless, overpriced projects needs attending to first and then maybe we wouldn't need more working folk. Part of the island's charm is it's empty, accessible spaces. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: Thanks for the reply. I rather think the massive govt. outlay and the expenditure on needless, overpriced projects needs attending to first and then maybe we wouldn't need more working folk. Part of the island's charm is it's empty, accessible spaces. We all like the space but the younger graduates are not staying here as they want more of the facilities & opportunities you get in larger population areas. With our age demographic, if we don’t increase working population we will have severe difficulties in financing ongoing pension liabilities, health, education in the not too distant future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I rest my case, no further argument. We are going for a walk through the plantation now with our family. Enjoy the new year y'all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Banker said: We have plenty of space for more residents, smaller islands like Jersey & Guernsey have a lot higher population density & still have massive demand from immigration. higher population would bring more doctors, dentists etc & encourage younger population to stay I think this is the crux of most things, we have such a small population that it is difficult to make anything financially viable. The best that business owners can hope for is to be comfortable, nobody is going to get rich by running a business here and ambition is quashed. This means that we have fewer places available for decent entertainment and hospitality. This is why a university environment would attract investment and footfall without the population problems. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Re Lord Street the terms were agreed so wouldnt car parking (once built) have been dealt with? I could see why Government might want to have a car park now and associated revenue whilst fuck all is happening...but that wont be impeding the build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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