The Voice of Reason Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 21 hours ago, HeliX said: A clinical diagnosis of autism has pretty strict criteria - any with a "doctors note" so to speak will be true. ADHD probably open to some fraudulence, but that said the increase in rate is mostly because it's better understood (though still not well) and better diagnosed now. Sorry yes I didn’t make myself clear . It’s more the “self diagnosis” of autism /ADHD that the parents make to excuse their child’s bad behaviour rather than an actual clinical diagnosis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 22 quitting at the same time suggests the problems within the DoE are far worse than thought https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/22-teachers-resign-from-island-teaching-posts/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Manx cost of living and insane house prices I’d say will be more to blame in recruitment failure than anything else. Exactly, haven’t seen a stronger argument for a reasonable pay rise than this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMonkey Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheTeapot said: 22 quitting at the same time suggests the problems within the DoE are far worse than thought https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/22-teachers-resign-from-island-teaching-posts/ Greener pastures. Much more attractive for a teacher to work in Australia or New Zealand in terms of pay. For those who want to stay on island, just look at how many jobs there are available in the private sector! Edited February 18, 2022 by DrunkenMonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: Manx cost of living and insane house prices I’d say will be more to blame in recruitment failure than anything else. We need to build decent key workers housing & make it available at cheap rates to get teachers, nurses etc over . But all countries particularly offshore islands suffer similar issues, housing is a lot more expensive in CI eg One-bedroom flats now cost on average £339,000 – a near-£40,000 rise compared to 12 months earlier – while average working households are unable to ‘service a mortgage affordably’ for a two-bedroom apartment, according to the latest House Price Index report released by Statistics Jersey, which covered the final quarter of last year. The average cost of a house rose to £673,000 in 2021, a 16% increase from £580,000 in the preceding year. All property types recorded their highest annual average price seen to date. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 Over six secondary schools this is not excessive as it probably includes retirement. There are some lovely houses on the market for under £400,000 atm and the figure for apartments are nowhere near £339,000 look at the estate agents listings on FB. They do tend to get snapped up quickly and they are still expensive but there must have been some really expensive pads included to get the figures quoted by Banker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 IOM DESC would do well chatting to a few landlords. Teaching staff are a captive audience and they cannot just up and leave a job. House shares were a norm when I started work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, hissingsid said: figures quoted by Banker. Are for Jersey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMonkey Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mental-health-improvements-needed-to-stem-exodus-of-teachers/ "3,500 workdays were missed on the Island in the last academic year - a rise of more than 1,000 compared to the previous 12 months" Sounds like teachers' mental health isn't at an all time high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, DrunkenMonkey said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/mental-health-improvements-needed-to-stem-exodus-of-teachers/ "3,500 workdays were missed on the Island in the last academic year - a rise of more than 1,000 compared to the previous 12 months" Sounds like teachers' mental health isn't at an all time high. That’s about 140 getting covid and isolating. Hardly a surprise. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, wrighty said: That’s about 140 getting covid and isolating. Hardly a surprise. Yes, but the FOI was about absence due to mental health. MR clarified that this morning, unless the FOI was misread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Obviously there are teachers who are having a tough time, but the option to pull a sickie on full pay is too easy. There was news this morning about the amount leaving the teaching profession. I think the early retirement package is too attractive. (Ditto such as police, fire and the civil service in general) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman34 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: Stress and mental health seem to be what you claim in the public sector to ensure your exit post pandemic. I’ve spoken with a few people in the last few months who are pulling that trick to get a nice soft landing paid for by us. There is no early retirement package for teachers. They are leaving in large numbers, some back to the UK for better pay and promotion prospects, and some to easier, better paid jobs in the private sector. This demonstrates how market forces work, which we can explain to our kids when they have no subject specialists and a restricted education, delivered by those too old or apathetic to quit. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 17 minutes ago, manxman34 said: There is no early retirement package for teachers. https://www.teacherspensions.co.uk/employers/member-retirement/early.aspx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: There are a huge number of people chopping and changing their career paths after the pandemic. Many peoples world views and aspirations have changed after the last 2 years. As with everything else it isn’t just the preserve of teachers. The same applies to the mental health crisis - it is right across the board and I put a link in above from the BBC reporting a huge spike in people seeking mental health support since the lockdowns. It’s not an issue that is confined to one profession. So I don’t really see what the DESC can really do about it. As usual this is just teacher unions etc playing the pandemic card and using it to try to get more money. What the DESC can do about it is to improve pay and conditions so that we end up with enough teachers to actually run the schools. It's not "chopping and changing" of career paths post-covid, it's an exodus from this particular profession. Yes others may be facing that too (though I can't think of any off the top of my head), but most of those are not going to be Govt Dept run, so are subject to different forces. Edit to add: Also, when a company doesn't have enough staff its profits drop and the shareholders have a whinge. If teaching doesn't have enough staff, it's a generation of kids that suffer. And 10-15 years later, the Island's GDP. Edited March 15, 2022 by HeliX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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