Rees-Mogg...

[Stu Peters]

59 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Joking aside, are they really Stu? 

Or is it more cunning plans for an export market for belly button fluff, or a tourism industry for t'mill workers of the North West?

 

Fair question. I'm old and can remember being a boss who made decisions (mostly right, sometimes wrong) and just got on with things. Even modern corporate life isn't that simple any more and I'd have trouble with all the regulations - every action needs to be accountable to a number of influences. That may be a good thing, but it's frustrating.

Politics is even worse - I'm only 1/24 in Keys and can't simply do the things I'd like to do, without convincing a majority that it's a good and workable idea. And then I have to convince the electorate, have experts and officers onside and hold a public consultation, all the time complying with legislation and agreed policies. But I honestly think the current Keys is motivated to do a good job, rather than look out for chums or ourselves. Time will tell if I'm right, but it's probably even more frustrating for us in trying to effect positive change than it is for you waiting for results.

 

 

[The Phantom]

12 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

They're planning on resurrecting the plans for the monorail to felt museum run

Luckily it will only be half the cost of a tram or railway

[manxman34]

2 hours ago, Kopek said:

😄

What class are you?

Well, my parents were good working class stock.

Me? Oh, I'm middle class through and through but I don't want to admit that!!!

Really? I thought you were a taxi driver.

[A fool and his money.....]

55 minutes ago, Stu Peters said:

Fair question. I'm old and can remember being a boss who made decisions (mostly right, sometimes wrong) and just got on with things. Even modern corporate life isn't that simple any more and I'd have trouble with all the regulations - every action needs to be accountable to a number of influences. That may be a good thing, but it's frustrating.

Politics is even worse - I'm only 1/24 in Keys and can't simply do the things I'd like to do, without convincing a majority that it's a good and workable idea. And then I have to convince the electorate, have experts and officers onside and hold a public consultation, all the time complying with legislation and agreed policies. But I honestly think the current Keys is motivated to do a good job, rather than look out for chums or ourselves. Time will tell if I'm right, but it's probably even more frustrating for us in trying to effect positive change than it is for you waiting for results.

 

 

I wish I shared your optimism. Over 4 months in and I can't think of a single positive thing that's been achieved so far, with the possible exception of an increase in minimum wage in April ( over six months in) which as far as I can see is a simple and exact copy of what's been done in the UK.

Over half a million paid in wages so far and that's without Legco.

ETA. I get your point it's not that simple and you have to persuade a majority and the electorate etc. But I'm a member of the electorate and I've yet to have a politician since the election try to persuade me of anything even vaguely positive.

Be honest Stu, what have you tried to achieve in the last 4+ months? Or have you given up doing any good as too hard?

Edited February 9, 2022 by A fool and his money.....

[Gladys]

36 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

I wish I shared your optimism. Over 4 months in and I can't think of a single positive thing that's been achieved so far, with the possible exception of an increase in minimum wage in April ( over six months in) which as far as I can see is a simple and exact copy of what's been done in the UK.

Over half a million paid in wages so far and that's without Legco.

ETA. I get your point it's not that simple and you have to persuade a majority and the electorate etc. But I'm a member of the electorate and I've yet to have a politician since the election try to persuade me of anything even vaguely positive.

Be honest Stu, what have you tried to achieve in the last 4+ months? Or have you given up doing any good as too hard?

The very reason that a party political system is needed. 

[A fool and his money.....]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

The very reason that a party political system is needed. 

I disagree, it just needs members that are committed enough to change that they don't let the prospect of failure get in their way.

If an MHK wants to change something for the better the the very least they need to do is try. All this I'm only one in twenty four and the Manx don't like change bollocks doesn't cut it. If you believe that what you propose is for the good of the people of the island then it's your job to persuade them and your colleagues of that, get on with it.

To be fair to Stu he has done this a bit with the Crogga thing ( although I think he is completely wrong), but that's one MHK, and a proposal that already existed. Over four months have passed!

[Gladys]

5 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said:

I disagree, it just needs members that are committed enough to change that they don't let the prospect of failure get in their way.

If an MHK wants to change something for the better the the very least they need to do is try. All this I'm only one in twenty four and the Manx don't like change bollocks doesn't cut it. If you believe that what you propose is for the good of the people of the island then it's your job to persuade them and your colleagues of that, get on with it.

To be fair to Stu he has done this a bit with the Crogga thing ( although I think he is completely wrong), but that's one MHK, and a proposal that already existed. Over four months have passed!

But a party will already have its policies agreed before the election and, if they get a majority, no persuasion is needed - they just have to get on with it. 

[Non-Believer]

Well the Govt headcount will probably have increased by 70 - 100 in the four months that's passed....going on last year's rates anyway. Is that an achievement?

[A fool and his money.....]

19 minutes ago, Gladys said:

But a party will already have its policies agreed before the election and, if they get a majority, no persuasion is needed - they just have to get on with it. 

I can see where you're coming from, I'm not sure it's needed though. We just need people who are motivated enough by the right reasons and conscientious enough to do something about it.

I do feel the salary often attracts the wrong type of people. I think it should be sufficient that anyone can afford to do it and no more.

[manxman1980]

2 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

And then I have to convince the electorate, have experts and officers onside and hold a public consultation, all the time complying with legislation and agreed policies.

Which experts were you listening to when you posted the crap about climate change on Facebook? 

For those of you who haven't seen it Mr Peter's plans to improve tourism to the Isle of Man by taking advantage of the pleasant weather (an average global increase of 2°C) resulting from climate change.

This is all complete nonsense of course because the British Isles are not going to see an increase in temperature but a decrease along with much worse storms, rising sea levels and flooding. 

I very much doubt that the experts Mr Peter's listens to are worthy of the name.

[forestboy]

8 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

Which experts were you listening to when you posted the crap about climate change on Facebook? 

For those of you who haven't seen it Mr Peter's plans to improve tourism to the Isle of Man by taking advantage of the pleasant weather (an average global increase of 2°C) resulting from climate change.

This is all complete nonsense of course because the British Isles are not going to see an increase in temperature but a decrease along with much worse storms, rising sea levels and flooding. 

I very much doubt that the experts Mr Peter's listens to are worthy of the name.

And what experts do you listen to?

[Andy Onchan]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

Well the Govt headcount will probably have increased by 70 - 100 in the four months that's passed....going on last year's rates anyway. Is that an achievement?

Sadly it probably will be.

[manxman1980]

3 minutes ago, forestboy said:

And what experts do you listen to?

Qualified scientists who have their work peer reviewed.

Certainly not Toryboys like Peters and Rees-Mogg.

[Stu Peters]

At least you've corrected the aberrant apostrophe.

[doc.fixit]

I'm afraid Reece Mogg and Gove and Johnson epitomise everything that is wrong with the British elitist, privileged money grabbing ruling class. IMO of course.

Edited February 9, 2022 by doc.fixit