Shake me up Judy Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, Chinahand said: The really sad thing is that if NATO hadn't expanded Eastward, Putin would have devoted his life to reforming democracy and human rights in Russia. Exactly. I'm still hearing mealy mouthed commentators blaming NATO expansion. It's bollocks. No wonder Eastern Europe wanted to come into the NATO fold after what's happened to Ukraine. They could see it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Chinahand said: Good on the Irish. Fantastic pictures. They know what freedom is more than most. Wish I'd been there to join in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 The mainstream western media are reporting that putin has now threatened Sweden and Finland with military action, but has anyone asked the people of Sweden and Finland how they feel about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opusManx Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chinahand said: The really sad thing is that if NATO hadn't expanded Eastward, Putin would have devoted his life to reforming democracy and human rights in Russia. I heard he would have fulfilled his lifelong ambition of learning to play the harp. Edited February 26, 2022 by opusManx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 34 minutes ago, Chinahand said: Live NOW. UN security Council meeting on Russia-Ukraine: Russian veto. Chinese Abstention. 2 other abstentions, not sure who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Is Russia the chair or president or whatever they have? That's crackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 India also abstained. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I don't think Modhi is necessarily a friend of the west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1-Russia supply India’s military and 2-they’re pissed off that Pakistan aren’t sanctioned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 50 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Is Russia the chair or president or whatever they have? That's crackers. Yes they are and yes it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I no longer see the point of the UN. If you’re in the club you can do whatever you like and just veto anybody that tries to say otherwise. They should probably change their constitution. No doubt the Russians would veto that too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opusManx Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheTeapot said: I don't think Modhi is necessarily a friend of the west. He's a proto-fascistic autocratic revisionist nationalist who suppresses his own media. Morality not a strong point. (Mind you, moral consistency isn't a strength of many who voted in favour of whatever feckless resolution they passed. U.N. is a bad joke. Used for cover when convenient; ignored when convenient. Group therapy for the weaker nations. A foggy theatre for the strong.) Edited February 26, 2022 by opusManx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Ukraine have opened their borders to foreign fighters to help defend them. I know of US and British veterans already there and more on the way trying to get there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinahand Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Really quite terrible strategic decisions being contemplated at the moment. Putin with a force outside a city, knowing if he goes into the city it will result in massive destruction, calling on the leadership to surrender, or the defenders to stage a coup. Assuming the defenders and leadership are united, which I think they are, it is in their interests to hunker down and fight street by street. Putin tried last night to send in special forces to capture government buildings and the leadership but that failed. The alternative is the PR disaster of a mechanised invasion. He doesn't want that, hence his denouncement of the leadership hiding behind women and children. The result is a horrible game of chicken, with the defenders going we will fight you street by street, and Putin going don't make me come for you. Pity the people of Kyiv if both sides continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opusManx Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Interesting historical review/opinion: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/25/history-of-ties-between-ukraine-and-russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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