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50 minutes ago, HeliX said:
1 hour ago, The Phantom said:

Those guys were basically Orcs 

I hope that's not a reference to what I think it is.

This is the one thing I think is being swept under the rug a bit at the moment, though I suppose it is obvious why.  We want to see Ukraine as a peaceful society, lead by a Jewish ex-comedian president who lost relatives to the holocaust and who is slowly bringing reform, democracy and anti-corruption to a fragile state, cruelly attacked by a viscous aggressor.

I think that image is basically true, but the fragile state also contained violent fascist gangs financed by mafia corruption and power, who did bring violence against those they hated.

War does that - and Putin's fomenting of war in the Donbas bread it violent dogs, not just on the Russian side, but on the Ukrainian side too.

And now they are armed and angry and a most horrid form of natural selection is likely to mean the must ruthless survive.

If you want to be liberal and pluralistic you need a strong state, or a fascist will come and hit you in the face and stamp on you. Maintaining Ukraine as a pluralistic society is going to be really hard.

Putin doesn't care about that, but we should.  The thugs are being empowered by what is happening. It is oh so sad.

 

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Amazon Prime EU just bought up all the MiGs & other aircraft in the EU that Ukrainian pilots know how to fly - donated them to the EU & they've been donated straight to Ukraine. Should be in the air now, or very soon. 

Edited to say: Not sure about the Amazon donation - seems like the money maybe coming from the EU itself. 

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8 hours ago, HeliX said:

Ah, no I actually just meant Tolkein.

Although I would take that website/report with a pinch of salt. The Azov Battalion has been fighting the Russians in Donblas for years and has had significant numbers of foreign volunteers in the past. I know someone that served with them and he isn't remotely a Nazi. Possible their demographic/image has changed however in the last few years leading up to the conflict.

Trust me, those Chechens were/are rurhlesss evil bastards.

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1 hour ago, The Phantom said:

Ah, no I actually just meant Tolkein.

Although I would take that website/report with a pinch of salt. The Azov Battalion has been fighting the Russians in Donblas for years and has had significant numbers of foreign volunteers in the past. I know someone that served with them and he isn't remotely a Nazi. Possible their demographic/image has changed however in the last few years leading up to the conflict.

Trust me, those Chechens were/are rurhlesss evil bastards.

I dunno if their demographic has changed, here they are back in 2014 or so:

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And in 2021 they're bragging about shooting Muslims with bullets coated in pig fat. Seems fairly consistent...

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10 minutes ago, HeliX said:

I dunno if their demographic has changed, here they are back in 2014 or so:

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And in 2021 they're bragging about shooting Muslims with bullets coated in pig fat. Seems fairly consistent...

Ah yeah, they seem to have gone a bit more anti-Muslim.  Just did some extra digging. 

Previously they were the only Ukrainian volunteer battalion.  Accordingly you'll get quite a few unsavory types join up as well.

 

 

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