Roger Mexico Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, buncha wankas said: You asked for the vote and opportunity as it gives you status, recognition, access and possibly a route to a 65k a year job with a pension if you so desire. Except it isn't even a particularly reliable route to becoming an MHK. If you look at the current House of Keys, only Ashford, Corlett and Thomas (Douglas); Smith (Laxey 20 years ago); Callister (Onchan); Haywood (Port St Mary); and Allinson and Hooper (Ramsey) were ever local authority members that I can see and some of that was brief (Thomas was only on DBC for a year). That's 8 out of 24, two thirds have never been on any LA. And of the new members elected in 2021 only Haywood was a recent LA member, while there were lots of current or recent members who stood and weren't elected. If you want to become an MHK you're probably better campaigning and socialising but not getting elected to the LA. Edited February 20, 2022 by Roger Mexico Lost last line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, ManxTaxPayer said: It's this. Could be. Although... 3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: If you want to become an MHK you're probably better campaigning and socialising but not getting elected to the LA. The alternative route of a salaried post churning out superficially researched pap on a secretly funded web site hasn't proved particularly successful yet for Josem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Costs us £360 to keep our motor home in a barn during the winter (six months) Would seriously consider using Nobles Park for some similar amount. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, buncha wankas said: That is what the consultation will define and develop the policy, which could be consulted on. yes it is that simple, look up iom gov consultation, it is a simple concept but no one has the balls to roll that ball. bit dramatic to say it’s voting away your own job, it’s not a job, the fact that you see it that way shows you are bonded to the income and benefits rather than serving the public. You're one of those people who always find something negative. If I say it's a job, you say don't complain, if I say I'm ok to vote away that job, you again say don't complain. And what income? We get a small allowance for meetings and free parking. If I count in all the other time spent answering emails, calls, visits, etc, which I never track, it's costing me money (which you're going to hold against me again, so nevermind). I don't have a cleaning or decorating company either and it's unlikely I can turn the place into a bitcoin casino. I do it to give back to the place that's been good to me and to learn about the political process. God forbid I end up doing anything positive. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buncha wankas Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Amadeus said: You're one of those people who always find something negative. If I say it's a job, you say don't complain, if I say I'm ok to vote away that job, you again say don't complain. And what income? We get a small allowance for meetings and free parking. If I count in all the other time spent answering emails, calls, visits, etc, which I never track, it's costing me money (which you're going to hold against me again, so nevermind). I don't have a cleaning or decorating company either and it's unlikely I can turn the place into a bitcoin casino. I do it to give back to the place that's been good to me and to learn about the political process. God forbid I end up doing anything positive. I just found a teddy on the floor little fella did you drop it or throw it outta your pram 😭 👶 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 hours ago, buncha wankas said: I just found a teddy on the floor little fella did you drop it or throw it outta your pram 😭 👶 Did you fail in your attempt to become a councillor then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 There should be no politician in office that was allowed in unopposed. The problem is the Council is irrelevant and needs to be disbanded. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 8 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: Fair play to you I remember your original election campaign. You and Butch should probably have got in instead of Cretney and Malarkey. You were bottom of the poll. But I think Butch was less than 50 votes out on the day. It takes guts to do that. But the role you have now was 100% unopposed. It was contested when I declared. Instead of constantly holding this against me, come up with constructive ideas how we can get more people interested in politics. The constant negativity really isn’t helping, with or without local government reform. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 9 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: Fair play to you I remember your original election campaign. What was memorable? What does this fellow even stand for? (Apart from constantly seeking social media likes / approval) No mandate, no manifesto and no track record of doing any public or charitable service, just got in by default. Add to that they work in the gambling sector which we all know exploits vulnerable people and destroys lives. What possibly could a person like this have to offer the ratepayers of Douglas apart from seemingly a huge amount of spare time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Who is constantly holding anything against you? I mentioned it once. It’s the reality of the situation though. Can you also say what reform is actually happening in local government? There’s none in DTC at all. Just costs going up because ever more silly initiatives are being devised to keep more people employed. It's been brought up time and time again, here and elsewhere. There are cuts taking place to keep costs down, but we'll never please everyone and I know the system and the things money is spent on every year aren't perfect. The willingness to reform is there, at least with the "younger" council members I feel. What can be done, we shall see. It's already a smaller council and we're moving in the right direction. The real resistance will come from the other local authorities and which MHK will be brave enough to upset his or her voters over this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, HiVibes said: What was memorable? What does this fellow even stand for? (Apart from constantly seeking social media likes / approval) No mandate, no manifesto and no track record of doing any public or charitable service, just got in by default. Add to that they work in the gambling sector which we all know exploits vulnerable people and destroys lives. What possibly could a person like this have to offer the ratepayers of Douglas apart from seemingly a huge amount of spare time? More than an anonymous internet hater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Amadeus said: More than an anonymous internet hater. What exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 4 hours ago, HiVibes said: What was memorable? What does this fellow even stand for? (Apart from constantly seeking social media likes / approval) No mandate, no manifesto and no track record of doing any public or charitable service, just got in by default. Add to that they work in the gambling sector which we all know exploits vulnerable people and destroys lives. What possibly could a person like this have to offer the ratepayers of Douglas apart from seemingly a huge amount of spare time? Probably a lot more than you sat hiding behind a keyboard… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: Not by me it hasn’t. As I said I thought you should have got in when you stood as MHK so I’m hardly anti you at all. But it’s a fact the seat was unopposed so I mentioned it. As for DTC it’s a shambles and the rates will keep on going up and up to fund it all. It would be fine if you people controlled it but you don’t. And even though I’m not really a fan even Watson has come out publicly and said he can’t get anything done to change things. There’s a vibe of New vs Old in council for sure. We’re still at the start of our term really, and I don’t have any problems rocking the boat, but as you said, it’s not easy or straight forward. One weapon we can use is publicity. It’s easy to get the media to write things here because not much happens. Before we go nuclear with calls for reform, we would need to agree what reform that should be, though. Again, is the DoI running everything really a better option than some almost unpaid commissioners? Maybe we should fill a pub and let people discuss it over a beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOR Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I'm thankful there are people who are willing to stand for public office. They do it for all sorts of reasons. Some entirely for personal gain whether that is for their ego or other reasons, but for sure there are some altruistic. As I see it, the lad @Amadeus is standing for the right reasons. He's in there watching things on our behalf so that we can carry on with other stuff. Politicians of every description need to be checked, but they don't all deserve a public kicking just for the sake of it. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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