A fool and his money..... Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 He has a very good point. We pay the UK millions for defence each year despite the fact they have not once in their history defended us against anything. Indeed their history of "defence" crown dependencies isn't something for us value. They decided not to bother defending Jersey who remained occupied throughout most of WW2 before "liberating" them after the war was safely over, that's it. The fact is that we are not a war faring nation and no government or terrorist organisation in the world has any reason to want to attack us (with the possible exception of our contribution and deference to the UK armed forces). In the extremely inconceivable situation that some entity wanted to damage us so enthusiastically and irrationally that all diplomacy failed, the UK would undoubtedly defend us anyway do to our proximity to their shores and motivated by their own interest. The fact is we'll never know as it will never happen. Paul Craine was recently on the record criticising our shamefully low contribution to overseas aid being fixed for yet another year at around £2.5 million. We currently pay in excess of £3 million in "defence" against enemies that simply don't exist. In the words of Tony Benn " If we can find the money to kill people, we can find the money to help people". The casualties of UK "defence" have been many for most of its history and far from limited to service men and women. It's time we stopped dressing up our contribution to this slaughter as something it's not and used the money to help people who continue to be in genuine need the world over. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Shouldn’t we avoid any activities related to war in general? Doesn’t matter who want to practice touch and gos or bombing runs. Do it elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Shocked this isn’t about Moorhouse 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, english zloty said: Shocked this isn’t about Moorhouse 😂 Manx villages have always had more than one idiot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, english zloty said: Shocked this isn’t about Moorhouse 😂 Squeaky bum time for Rob too no doubt 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Just now, Shake me up Judy said: Manx villages have always had more than one idiot I guess it takes one to know one. What do you seriously think we need defending against? As Amadeus has rightly pointed out, impartiality is our best defence if any were needed. It strikes me people in favour of this sort of thing are on some kind of ego trip in the same way some people following bullies at school makes them feel important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 Silly bugger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Silly bugger. Well there you go. That's about as rational as the argument for the IoM to contribute to and support UK armed forces gets. It's a nonsense and well done to John for calling it out instead of blindling accepting it as constitutional and therefore incapable of change regardless of its ideocracy like Alfie seems to have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: Russia's a big country. It has a population that is less than double the UK and a lower GDP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: I guess it takes one to know one. What do you seriously think we need defending against? As Amadeus has rightly pointed out, impartiality is our best defence if any were needed. It strikes me people in favour of this sort of thing are on some kind of ego trip in the same way some people following bullies at school makes them feel important. So you think that if the western world had no defences then maniacs like Putin would just leave us be? History would suggest otherwise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: So you think that if the western world had no defences then maniacs like Putin would just leave us be? History would suggest otherwise. No I think that if the IoM had no defences then maniacs like Putin would just leave us be. History confirms this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, A fool and his money..... said: No I think that if the IoM had no defences then maniacs like Putin would just leave us be. History confirms this. Can you supply an example? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: Can you supply an example? The twentieth century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, offshoremanxman said: If we got occupied and Putin took Jurby for the strategic airstrip the locals wouid see the Russian mercenaries off in a few weeks. Even if they trained in the outer reaches of Siberia they won’t have found a more inhospitable place on earth than Jurby and Andreas and their residents. Oh I don't know, there's plenty of accomodating wenches in Jurby! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Shouldn’t we avoid any activities related to war in general? Doesn’t matter who want to practice touch and gos or bombing runs. Do it elsewhere. Do you mean appeasement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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