Max Power Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I can't believe that this ever got to court, or the attitude of the manager! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/doctor-ordered-to-keep-the-peace-after-cpr-dispute/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, offshoremanxman said: So some moron pub bouncer gets to decide whether you’re giving genuine CPR or not? How the hell did this ever get to court? Yet another AG’s cock up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 You'd think someone somewhere along the line from the publican to the coppers to the prosecutor to the magistrate would have a scrap of common sense wouldn't you? I wonder how much this debacle has cost the taxpayer? Bound over to keep the peace FFS. If I was a doctor trying to save a close relatives life and someone tried to stop me, I think swearing would be the very best they could hope for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: How were they even bound over to keep the peace? What peace? The man was having a seizure. They tend to be not very peaceful when they happen. You wouldn’t perform CPR on someone having a seizure. You generally put them in recovery position. Something doesn’t add up. It seems to be their language and behaviour after CPR stopped, that caused the charges. Accepting a Binding Over, is civil, not criminal, and gets rid of the criminal charges. We haven’t heard the story in full. The binding over was a deal cut between prosecution and defence. Nothing to do with the magistrates. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, John Wright said: You wouldn’t perform CPR on someone having a seizure. You generally put them in recovery position. The guy that did that must be an idiot! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, offshoremanxman said: The person who administered the CPR was a Doctor. Presumably he knew what he was doing more than a pub bouncer? As I say, something doesn’t add up. We don’t actually know the facts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 That's never mattered before! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooly Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: The person who administered the CPR was a Doctor. Presumably he knew what he was doing more than a pub bouncer? Maybe he wasn't a doctor in medicine so wouldn't know what to do for someone having a seizure? Playing devil's advocate 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: It’s a relatively bizarre report though. You do wonder how it ever got to court. The judge presumably knew the facts when he threw the main case out? No, the magistrates, 3 of them, wouldn’t know the facts. This was a deal between prosecution and defence. Defendants accept a binding over, prosecution withdraw the charges. Magistrates rubber stamp withdrawal. You never CPR or resuscitate someone having a seizure. The doorman, who will have had CPR and basic first aid, including dealing with seizures, as part of his DHA certification/registration process, was right. The two defendants then reacted badly on licensed premises. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: So basically you do wonder how the AGs offices ever signed this off for trial. Please re read what I’ve posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Definitely more to this story than meets the eye. They're playing the "I'm a doctor" card, but there is more to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: I have. If the prosecution withdrew charges how did it ever end up in court? I wasn’t there. There may be all sorts of reasons. Seems as if they were properly charged. Perhaps they were intent on defending, or refused a caution, but when it got to the court, ready for plea ( not trial ), the two lawyers got together and agreed the civil disposal. Win for both sides. That’s quite common. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: So basically you do wonder how the AGs offices ever signed this off for trial. it does bring into question the qualifications of the security staff and their ability to deal with something like a cardiac arrest or seizure , and its a surprise that the case was brought by the AG's office , perhaps the radio or newspapers will conduct a more thorough investigation into the case and provide an update based on the evidence given in court , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, Omobono said: it does bring into question the qualifications of the security staff and their ability to deal with something like a cardiac arrest or seizure , and its a surprise that the case was brought by the AG's office , perhaps the radio or newspapers will conduct a more thorough investigation into the case and provide an update based on the evidence given in court , No evidence was given in court. There’s nothing to investigate. It got to the doors of the court and the advocates for prosecution and defence cut a deal. Publicans and door staff get first aid and CPR training. As I say, you do not attempt CPR on someone having a seizure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Jaks, enough said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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