Max Power Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: As I say, you do not attempt CPR on someone having a seizure. Absolutely correct, probably more like poor reporting of what actually occurred? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, Hooly said: Maybe he wasn't a doctor in medicine so wouldn't know what to do for someone having a seizure? Playing devil's advocate 🙂 He is a medical doctor. He understands when to do CPR, and what to do with someone having a seizure. Despite my namesake’s certainty about “never doing CPR in a seizure” it ain’t necessarily as clearcut as one may think. Not all seizures present as your classic grand-mal epilepsy, and what starts as a seizure can lead to a loss of airway, respiratory and subsequent cardiac arrest. CPR may well have been indicated in this case. I wasn’t there personally to check for an output. I’d heard about this before the news report. I thought then it could have been handled better, without anyone being arrested or charged, despite John describing it as a win for both sides. For the advocates perhaps. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, wrighty said: He is a medical doctor. He understands when to do CPR, and what to do with someone having a seizure. Despite my namesake’s certainty about “never doing CPR in a seizure” it ain’t necessarily as clearcut as one may think. Not all seizures present as your classic grand-mal epilepsy, and what starts as a seizure can lead to a loss of airway, respiratory and subsequent cardiac arrest. CPR may well have been indicated in this case. I wasn’t there personally to check for an output. I’d heard about this before the news report. I thought then it could have been handled better, without anyone being arrested or charged, despite John describing it as a win for both sides. For the advocates perhaps. Well if he is a medical doctor, rather than a lawyer, doctor of philosophy or say, genonomics “doctor” then who is anyone to say he made the wrong call? I wouldn’t have a clue what to do in that situation Edited February 24, 2022 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, wrighty said: . For the advocates perhaps. If the defendant advocate was duty advocate it’s 20 minutes, so about £45. The prosecutor is paid and there anyway, although there is a cost, it’s hard to quantify. As I say, we don’t have the full facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Is there an AED in Jaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: I’m more worried about the latitude bouncers seem have to second guess and report on what procedures are deemed to be appropriate to be administered by qualified medical staff in pubs. Nobles could save a fortune by employing these people at £12 an hour. 9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Well if he is a medical doctor, rather than a lawyer, doctor of philosophy or say, genonomics “doctor” then who is anyone to say he made the wrong call? I wouldn’t have a clue what to do in that situation That’s not what they were charged over. It was their language and behaviour on licensed premises. The question wasn’t whether his call was correct. And it wasn’t a door staff person, but the publican. Although no one but you, offshoremanxman, is suggesting they claimed superior medical knowledge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Whiskey said: Is there an AED in Jaks? https://manngis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=e8612fcf28ef49f38871950fda86beba Interactive map of iom public defibrillators 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, wrighty said: https://manngis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=e8612fcf28ef49f38871950fda86beba Interactive map of iom public defibrillators I've just been playing about with that (the nearest to JAKS is in the toilets opposite Quids Inn) and there seem some very odd gaps in the coverage. Nothing in the Villa Complex for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo65 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, John Wright said: No evidence was given in court. There’s nothing to investigate. It got to the doors of the court and the advocates for prosecution and defence cut a deal. Publicans and door staff get first aid and CPR training. As I say, you do not attempt CPR on someone having a seizure. Cerebral anoxia causes fits. Lack of circulation is a cause of cerebral anoxia. Your certainty is not one shared by those who actually deal with such situations 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, offshoremanxman said: The person who administered the CPR was a Doctor. Presumably he knew what he was doing more than a pub bouncer? It's happened in a pub, maybe just maybe he may have been intoxicated and not thinking clearly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Think this happened on a local GP's night out . Heard about this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 He is a Doctor He is also a FB obsessed anti-vaxxer He is a conspiracy theorist He has posted recently about retraining as a lawyer He has an astonishingly high opinion of himself primarily based on his demand of respect for his profession He has recently been added to the Gobshites to be ignored tab on my XL sheet 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said: He is a Doctor He is also a FB obsessed anti-vaxxer He is a conspiracy theorist He has posted recently about retraining as a lawyer He has an astonishingly high opinion of himself primarily based on his demand of respect for his profession He has recently been added to the Gobshites to be ignored tab on my XL sheet Listen Mr Helmut Fromage , for god sakes dont beat about the bush , say it as it is you wimp 😉 Edited February 24, 2022 by Numbnuts 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forumuser2022 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, John Wright said: As I say, something doesn’t add up. We don’t actually know the facts. I do and as usual this forum does nothing but show that certain individuals seem to think they know everything about everything when actually they know very little. See the credit card thread for further examples. It also shows that the local news outlets are clueless. They haven’t even got the month correct. It was Jan 2nd as confirmed by just checking my phone log for when I made the 999 call just after the final whistle in the Liverpool match. Why people feel the need to comment on things they know nothing about I will never understand. Edited February 25, 2022 by Forumuser2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, Forumuser2022 said: I do and as usual this forum does nothing but show that certain individuals seem to think they know everything about everything when actually they know very little. See the credit card thread for further examples. It also shows that the local news outlets are clueless. They haven’t even got the month correct. It was Jan 2nd as confirmed by just checking my phone log for when I made the 999 call just after the final whistle in the Liverpool match. Why people feel the need to comment on things they know nothing about I will never understand. So what actually happened then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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