2112 Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Whilst this thread was originally focused on abandoned property and bringing back into use derelict property, there was a feature on Sky News, Ireland are planning on introducing an abandoned/vacant property tax. https://news.sky.com/story/irish-housing-crisis-new-vacant-property-tax-to-be-introduced-as-soon-as-possible-and-has-to-be-punitive-says-govt-12570896 Perhaps this would work here? In its favour is the fact that Ireland gives grants of £25,000 to renovate property to either rent out or sell, they have a severe property demand problem both rental and purchase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 MDC says fuck the planning system, we're off. https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/old-nurses-home-car-park-to-shut-as-redevelopment-begins-545481 Given there are appeals against it, this seems especially cheeky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, english zloty said: MDC says fuck the planning system, we're off. https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/old-nurses-home-car-park-to-shut-as-redevelopment-begins-545481 Given there are appeals against it, this seems especially cheeky Well if they wait for all the appeals to be heard tge development will never start!! It’s their car park & they can close it if they want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Banker said: Well if they wait for all the appeals to be heard tge development will never start!! It’s their car park & they can close it if they want They are pressuring the planners to a positive outcome in a way a private individual would not be able to and using public money at risk. It's DHSCs car park (or at least many of their staff use it). Will be interested to see where they're going from Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, english zloty said: They are pressuring the planners to a positive outcome in a way a private individual would not be able to and using public money at risk. It's DHSCs car park (or at least many of their staff use it). Will be interested to see where they're going from Monday. Well if this development doesn’t go ahead the whole of housing strategy is Fucked!! The staff will have to do what everyone else does in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Banker said: Well if this development doesn’t go ahead the whole of housing strategy is Fucked!! The staff will have to do what everyone else does in town. Yeah coz 37 part-time inhabited * apartments and a coffee shop next door to a coffee shop will solve everything 😂😂😂 * Once teachers/nurses build up a social circle and would rather hang elsewhere as happened with the old nurses home. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 39 minutes ago, Banker said: Well if they wait for all the appeals to be heard tge development will never start!! It’s their car park & they can close it if they want Sorry to burst your bubble, but you and I along with the thousands of hardworking working taxpayers, and other stakeholders are owners of the old nurses home. As such we have a say in what goes on, not an unelected government quango. I am not against this scheme, but residents and other stakeholders do have rights, which I’m sure the likes of Chris Thomas and the MDC would like to steamroll over. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 33 minutes ago, english zloty said: Yeah coz 37 part-time inhabited * apartments and a coffee shop next door to a coffee shop will solve everything 😂😂😂 * Once teachers/nurses build up a social circle and would rather hang elsewhere as happened with the old nurses home. They are designed to be short term housing for key workers at reasonable rents whilst they decide on if/when they will move elsewhere. There’s a massive demand for this type of housing but as soon as anyone try’s to down something a bunch of Nimbys & others want to try & stop it and leave town centre buildings to rot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
english zloty Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, Banker said: They are designed to be short term housing for key workers at reasonable rents whilst they decide on if/when they will move elsewhere. There’s a massive demand for this type of housing but as soon as anyone try’s to down something a bunch of Nimbys & others want to try & stop it and leave town centre buildings to rot! You mean as a result of Manx Care? Two years ago key worker housing was standing empty. Amazing what can happen when folk are bribed to live here without any regard for where they might lay their heads. Of course it's the lower paid, less financially insentivised local population who lose out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 12 hours ago, english zloty said: MDC says fuck the planning system, we're off. https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/old-nurses-home-car-park-to-shut-as-redevelopment-begins-545481 Given there are appeals against it, this seems especially cheeky Or maybe it's enabling for necessary maintenance works that A) required doing regardless B) not subject to planning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 12 hours ago, english zloty said: They are pressuring the planners to a positive outcome in a way a private individual would not be able to and using public money at risk. It's DHSCs car park (or at least many of their staff use it). Will be interested to see where they're going from Monday. they can all park in the spaces that happier diner mentions in the parking fines thread and have a little walk.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bserver Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 13 hours ago, english zloty said: They are pressuring the planners to a positive outcome in a way a private individual would not be able to and using public money at risk. It's DHSCs car park (or at least many of their staff use it). Will be interested to see where they're going from Monday. Possibly park over at DHSC HQ down the lane? Always plenty of spaces there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katman Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) Aren't a lot of the properties around this Demesne Road 're-development area' privately owned? What if the owners don't want to sell up, are they going to be compulsory purchased, does that happen on the Island? Edited April 27, 2022 by Katman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Banker said: They are designed to be short term housing for key workers at reasonable rents whilst they decide on if/when they will move elsewhere. There’s a massive demand for this type of housing but as soon as anyone try’s to down something a bunch of Nimbys & others want to try & stop it and leave town centre buildings to rot! Have the H&C/Chris Thomas board specifically said that this type of accommodation is ‘short term’? Has ‘short term’ been defined? Some of the key workers coming to the island are experienced and qualified, and therefore getting ‘good renumeration’. Returning students should hopefully get good jobs, paying well. So within a short timeframe, they should have enough money to move elsewhere. Or is IOMG via its Quango, now competing against private landlords? From a personal perspective I would have preferred the building used to accommodate .’homeless’ and those people who landlords quite frankly don’t want due to their unsocial activities. If we are spending mega £££s on a building to effectively subsidise in effect those coming to the island with good jobs, and returning students, then are we really going to spend more ££££ on up to standards for other groupings of society? I say this as the addition of a fancy top floor and coffee shop aren’t really essentials for the intended use of the building - they are clearly trying to attract younger trendy affluent types. Is The Chris Thomas Board going spend ££££ mega millions on a new homeless centre or devote/ use Government assets to address other issues like the old nurses homes? Incidentally lots of IOMG (taxpayers) properties have been allowed to rot away - Ballacloan School, Fairfield School etc. One of the biggest empty sites which will probably be derelict by the next general election comes around will be the ex Park Road School. Edited April 27, 2022 by 2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, Katman said: Aren't a lot of the properties around this Demesne Road 're-development area' privately owned. What if the owners don't want to sell up, are they going to compulsory purchased, does that happen on the Island? I’m sure owners will sell if the price is right. I’m sure business owners will relocate if they are offered decent incentives and alternative relocating opportunities with good inducements. It all depends on whether there is a will to actually do anything or whether politicos are all hot air, bullshit and waffle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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