Gladys Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: It’s hardly as though the current government haven’t been mired between constant controversies and scandals. So I don’t know if that’s such a good benchmark Which government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 34 minutes ago, Gladys said: Which government? Updated to make it clear I was talking about the UK there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Updated to make it clear I was talking about the UK there. It could have been either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 It has to be remembered that a declared religion and adherence to that faith can be two different things? I've said before, how many American \presidents would have been elected if they had declared to be 'atheist'? There should be a clear separation of State and religion? In the current debate, how many of the objectors are of the religious 'right', how many are taking into account the views of their children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 17 hours ago, HeliX said: The real answer is a bullshit term pushed by the media to divide people who would otherwise be able to have a civilised conversation into tribal groups. Presumably to stop average people coming together and realising who the real enemies are. It’s a term often used by average people who don’t appreciate gesture signalling and can’t understand why, for example, a drag artist who thinks there are 74 genders is an appropriate person to give sex and relationship education to 11 year old children. Our real enemies are the people that think otherwise. As for civilised conversation, the so-called “woke” are the people that wish to cancel that option and shout opposing opinion down. There is no organised Woke movement, it’s true and it is an artificial term. What does exist is collective stupidity and a lack of moral compass. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, joebean said: It’s a term often used by average people who don’t appreciate gesture signalling and can’t understand why, for example, a drag artist who thinks there are 74 genders is an appropriate person to give sex and relationship education to 11 year old children. Our real enemies are the people that think otherwise. As for civilised conversation, the so-called “woke” are the people that wish to cancel that option and shout opposing opinion down. There is no organised Woke movement, it’s true and it is an artificial term. What does exist is collective stupidity and a lack of moral compass. Sadly this particular episode won’t stop there as now what could happen is particular groups in society could be invited into schools to give a talk …………. God Squads etc. I don’t know what the aims of the person who was brought in to talk to young children, but I can’t help feeling that it’s rather political and pushing ideology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, 2112 said: God Squads The god squads in schools is a far more right wing linked thing. God squads don’t like “woke” either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 21 minutes ago, joebean said: As for civilised conversation, the so-called “woke” are the people that wish to cancel that option and shout opposing opinion down. There is no organised Woke movement, it’s true and it is an artificial term. What does exist is collective stupidity and a lack of moral compass The irony is, that the people who shout loudest about things being “woke”, are the ones who want to avoid any discourse. They pluck out straw man arguments and any reason applied to that is called “woke bullshit”. There is no desire from their side to engage behind that. Note the distinct lack of language like boomer, gammon etc in this thread. Most people have grown out of the name calling, you’d hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 It depends on what really happened. Was it a drag queen, or a transgender person talking about the subject to an age appropriate audience? Or was it a drag queen reading stories to children, not going anywhere near sexual matters? Or was it a drag queen who was there to discuss genders to 11 year olds? We just don't know, but I do know there are a lot of parents truly worried. This needs a swift response from DESC, outlining exactly what the curriculum is and how it is delivered. They can quickly say what is the approved material and subjects delivered and the ages delivered to, ie what should have happened. Then they can have a detailed independent investigation into what actually did happen in respect of each allegation. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 There’s an awful lot of Manx whispers. Originally, Eliza Cox was talking about fisting and all sorts of things in the special report. But the Dept pointed out that that’s a random curriculum plucked from a third party provider across. Not the one in use here. So now, the alleged drag queen is the big problem. Will that fizzle out the same way? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Just now, AcousticallyChallenged said: There’s an awful lot of Manx whispers. Originally, Eliza Cox was talking about fisting and all sorts of things in the special report. But the Dept pointed out that that’s a random curriculum plucked from a third party provider across. Not the one in use here. So now, the alleged drag queen is the big problem. Will that fizzle out the same way? We need Eliza to give exact details of these allegations, when, to whom and by whom. Eg was fisting taught to QEII students, when, what was the material and who delivered it or is it just something mentioned in that random curriculum? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: We need Eliza to give exact details of these allegations, when, to whom and by whom. Eg was fisting taught to QEII students, when, what was the material and who delivered it or is it just something mentioned in that random curriculum? There’s also no mention of it being raised with the school governors or anything like that. Instead, a local commissioner seems to be the one that they’ve turned to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Just now, AcousticallyChallenged said: There’s also no mention of it being raised with the school governors or anything like that. Instead, a local commissioner seems to be the one that they’ve turned to. I again raise the anonymity of the complainants, what reprisals do they fear? If true, the majority of people would be right behind them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Originally, Eliza Cox was talking about fisting and all sorts of things in the special report. I thought the "drag queen" was supposed to be called Panda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, Declan said: I thought the "drag queen" was supposed to be called Panda? This being the Isle of Man surely we would know the identity of this "drag queen" by now? How many drag queens do we have? (Insert reference to MHK's wearing wigs and gowns here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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