Hoops Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Gladys said: Yes, I wonder how many 11 year Alfies are at QEII. We are all Alfie. 😐 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Me and my 11 year old are watching Spongebob. Here's a still from the first movie, and people who've seen it will know how brilliant that scene is. So i can talk to him about Patrick dressing up like that if I want. This is suitable for an 11 year old boy. What is not suitable is an actual adult male who dresses like that being in his school talking about it. Like, at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 30 minutes ago, Hoops said: We are all Alfie. 😐 I am Alfie’s wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Me and my 11 year old are watching Spongebob. Here's a still from the first movie, and people who've seen it will know how brilliant that scene is. So i can talk to him about Patrick dressing up like that if I want. This is suitable for an 11 year old boy. What is not suitable is an actual adult male who dresses like that being in his school talking about it. Like, at all. But was it "an actual adult male who dresses like that"? Or a trans woman? Hypothetically a teacher could be a drag queen in their spare time and I doubt many would have an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cronky said: In the Daily Mail today: The parents who fear their 11-year-olds will be scarred for life by the graphic sex education lessons that no one warned them about... and the drag queen who told pupils there are 73 genders wasn't the worst of it Telling children they'll be "scarred for life" by something has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Edited March 4, 2023 by Declan 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Declan said: Telling children they'll be "scarred for life" by something has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or just hyperbole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Declan said: Telling children they'll be "scarred for life" by something has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Also scarred for life by learning how to apply a condom.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Declan said: But was it "an actual adult male who dresses like that"? Or a trans woman? Hypothetically a teacher could be a drag queen in their spare time and I doubt many would have an issue. I suspect the Daily Mail and its readership, were it to find out that John Smith, 48, a physics teacher from Wolverhampton performed at night as 'Eureka Bazooka', would have an issue. Edit - your first point I don't know, we don't know, no one appears to be telling the truth. Edited March 4, 2023 by TheTeapot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 TBH, if in that situation when it started going viral, my first thought as Alfie's parent, would not be "ooh you have gone viral" but how can I protect you from the publicity and any onlline nastiness, and have you got a good group of friends at school to support you in any crap there. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Declan said: Telling children they'll be "scarred for life" by something has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even more so if compensation is introduced into the mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 32 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: What is not suitable is an actual adult male who dresses like that being in his school talking about it. Like, at all. I don't get it. I appreciate we're living in a conservative inbred backwater here, but presumably if kids are ever to leave Craggy Island and go forth into the real world outside of the set of "The Wicker Man", they will mix with (and possibly indulge in) alternative sexualities and viewpoints as a matter of course. Isn't it better to educate them about this than clapping our hands over their ears so that they don't hear things that offend our own conservatism ? Or should we limit education to some sort of Victorian curriculum where sex is regarded as a filthy, covert activity that needs to be lectured about by church members in a slightly judgemental way ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Bastard said: …presumably if kids are ever to leave Craggy Island and go forth into the real world outside of the set of "The Wicker Man", they will mix with (and possibly indulge in) alternative sexualities and viewpoints as a matter of course Bad choice of metaphor: I doubt Lord Summerisle would have had any issue with alternative sexualities… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Bastard said: I don't get it. I appreciate we're living in a conservative inbred backwater here, but presumably if kids are ever to leave Craggy Island and go forth into the real world outside of the set of "The Wicker Man", they will mix with (and possibly indulge in) alternative sexualities and viewpoints as a matter of course. Isn't it better to educate them about this than clapping our hands over their ears so that they don't hear things that offend our own conservatism ? Or should we limit education to some sort of Victorian curriculum where sex is regarded as a filthy, covert activity that needs to be lectured about by church members in a slightly judgemental way ? My objection is the age thing really. 11. I don't want people who i've no idea who they are but have clearly made their sexual desire the key part of their personality talking to young children. 13/14 i'd be less bothered I think, but 11? Maybe its just me. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Bastard said: I don't get it. I appreciate we're living in a conservative inbred backwater here, but presumably if kids are ever to leave Craggy Island and go forth into the real world outside of the set of "The Wicker Man", they will mix with (and possibly indulge in) alternative sexualities and viewpoints as a matter of course. Isn't it better to educate them about this than clapping our hands over their ears so that they don't hear things that offend our own conservatism ? Or should we limit education to some sort of Victorian curriculum where sex is regarded as a filthy, covert activity that needs to be lectured about by church members in a slightly judgemental way ? Agreed, but it has to be age appropriate and that is probably what this is all about. I would not be too happy about my 11 year old children being spoken to about various sexual acts, but I would be OK about a mature and sympathetically presented discussion on gender and sexuality. The other stuff allegedly discussed is OK for older 16+ kids, but again it has to be introduced maturely and sympathetically. I also get the point about consent and being able to recognise that abuse is wrong. As for putting a condom on a dildo, not every phallus shaped thing is a sex toy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, TheTeapot said: My objection is the age thing really. 11. I don't want people who i've no idea who they are but have clearly made their sexual desire the key part of their personality talking to young children. 13/14 i'd be less bothered I think, but 11? Maybe its just me. If that is what happened. We still do not know if it was a drag queen, hasn't that been denied by the school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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