Sex education and religion

[Mr Snaefell]

On 3/18/2023 at 10:53 AM, hissingsid said:

He said the current programme started five years ago when it actually started last September a date no one is disputing .  

"No one is disputing"? I am. 

Want to apologise now?

"The RSE Advisory Curriculum provides guidance and support to primary and secondary schools to deliver the RSE aspect of PSHE. Although new to primaries in September 2022, the secondary content and guidance has been available to secondary schools since 2020, as support in this area was requested by schools in 2019."

https://www.gov.im/media/1379121/tor-rse-review-final.pdf 

[John Wright]

@TheTeapot

Why do you link occasionally performing in exaggerated clothing and mannerisms of the opposite gender with sex.

What is the motivation of goths, steampunks, people who dress as cowboys? Does that have a sexual connotation? Isn’t that dressing up a type of drag? Did none of you have access to a dressing up box as a kid?

If someone does perform in drag, once a week, once a month, as an amateur, how is that putting desire, sex life, etc at the front of their personality. How does that make their  personality all about sex.

Most of us have dozens of facets to our personality. I’m John. I’m biologically male. I’m male gender. I love theatre, dance, opera. I have acted on stage. I’m a lawyer. I’m gay. I wear drag in court - wig, gown, wing collar, tabs. I act in court. I’m a traveller. I use a wheelchair. I’ve done drag as a student and on gay pride marches. I’m obese. I’m a socialist. I’m socially liberal. I’m compassionate.

All of these things are part of me. But apart from being John they shouldn’t define me.

I’ve no idea who was in the school but they weren’t a drag Queen in drag. They were X, who occasionally performs in drag. They weren’t a TV or TS. It’s just a small part of their persona. And it seems the discussion was about non conforming, or diversity,  supervised by qualified teaching staff.

[piebaps]

18 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

What is someones motivation for dressing up and performing like that? A concern would be that it is very much a sex thing, someone who puts their sex life, their desire, right at the very front of their personality. I don't know if that is the case, I don't know any drag artists to ask. But if you make your personality all about sex then you probably shouldn't be going into school. 

Men have been dressing as women for a long long time. Have a read of the history of panto for example. Or have a look at wartime concert parties where females weren't always available.

The implication in the allegations made by the god botherers in this matter is that drag queen = gayness = perverts and its just plain wrong.

Obvs teapot you have your child to be concerned about which is fair play, but check the curriculum notes before deciding its all nonsense. 

[TheTeapot]

Thats why I'm asking.

I want to know who people are that are potentially going to interact with my kid. I want to know what their motivation is.

What was Canon Bagly's motivation for going into schools in the 80s? It was to try to get new people in his congregation to pay money to keep his lifestyle right? But that would never have been the admitted reason.

I remain suspicious. 

 

[TheTeapot]

Maybe I'm a prude.

[HeliX]

4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Thats why I'm asking.

I want to know who people are that are potentially going to interact with my kid. I want to know what their motivation is.

What was Canon Bagly's motivation for going into schools in the 80s? It was to try to get new people in his congregation to pay money to keep his lifestyle right? But that would never have been the admitted reason.

I remain suspicious. 

My understanding is that the individual is trained to deliver the sorts of lessons that were being delivered. I would assume, though I don't know, that anyone doing that is also DBS checked.

[Ativa]

What this thread, and most of the comments of FB prove is that it’s a shame more of todays “concerned parents” aren’t able to receive a bit of inclusivity education themselves.

People suggesting that the way someone dresses is sexual is pretty concerning and shows a huge lack of understanding.

Social services should be paying some of the clowns on Facebook a visit as their kids are being exposed to much worse at home than they are at school.

[TheTeapot]

1 minute ago, HeliX said:

My understanding is that the individual is trained to deliver the sorts of lessons that were being delivered. I would assume, though I don't know, that anyone doing that is also DBS checked.

I've been DBS checked. Got a certificate and everything. I've taken and indeed sold loads of drugs. All it means is you haven't been convicted of something.

[Gladys]

3 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Thats why I'm asking.

I want to know who people are that are potentially going to interact with my kid. I want to know what their motivation is.

What was Canon Bagly's motivation for going into schools in the 80s? It was to try to get new people in his congregation to pay money to keep his lifestyle right? But that would never have been the admitted reason.

I remain suspicious. 

 

You have been very open about your concerns, without hysteria, and that gives them credence which we should respect and respectfully point out a different view.

I sympathise with your concerns for your child.  The transition from primary school is a big transition not just for the child, but also for the parent who sees the little thing who could be read like a book to a still little thing who will start to want privacy and gradually increasing independence.  It is hard because you have spent the past 10+ years protecting and guarding your child.  

Rest assured your concerns are natural, but so is the transition.  The best you can do is to remain open to discussion of anything and he will still want to use you as a sounding board and guide when he is confused about stuff, no matter what the topic is. 

You are moving from a protect and guard role, to a support and guide role.

[John Wright]

6 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

I've been DBS checked. Got a certificate and everything. I've taken and indeed sold loads of drugs. All it means is you haven't been convicted of something.

And in the eyes of some people that admission of possession, consumption and supply would deem you unfit to bring up children.

How unreasonable would that be?

I don’t know whether it’s mainstream now?

My question is how is that different to the person bringing up the child, or being teacher, educator, facilitator, a woman, gay, disabled, or a drag Queen in their full or spare time?

Getting caught taking/supplying drugs would certainly end any career in education.

[Ativa]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

You are moving from a protect and guard role, to a support and guide role.

Whilst selling and taking illegal substances.

[TheTeapot]

1 minute ago, John Wright said:

And in the eyes of some people that admission of possession, consumption and supply would deem you unfit to bring up children.

How unreasonable would that be?

I don’t know whether it’s mainstream now?

My question is how is that different to the teacher, educator, facilitator, being a woman, gay, disabled, or a drag Queen in their spare time?

Getting caught taking/supplying drugs would certainly end any career in education.

Man, when news broke I was going to be a father I think a lot of people would have thought I was thoroughly unsuitable!!!

I thought it too. Sometimes I still do.

[TheTeapot]

Just now, Ativa said:

Whilst selling and taking illegal substances.

I don't sell them these days you buffoon, and only smoke a bit of pot. And the very occasional mushroom trip. For therapeutic reasons.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

6 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

I've been DBS checked. Got a certificate and everything. I've taken and indeed sold loads of drugs. All it means is you haven't been convicted of something.

Enhanced DBS also includes whether the local police hold anything about you that might be relevant, convicted or not.

[HeliX]

11 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

I've been DBS checked. Got a certificate and everything. I've taken and indeed sold loads of drugs. All it means is you haven't been convicted of something.

Well certainly anyone can do a crime at any time. But I think the level of qualification and background checking is more than appropriate to cover any perceived additional risk based on the individual's (known) hobbies? I've loads of hobbies that people wouldn't like. But they also wouldn't know them. And wouldn't stop me being able to take part in school activities.