Sex education and religion

[Declan]

2 hours ago, hissingsid said:

What is he difference between a Drag Queen and a person that performs as a drag artist….asking for a few friends who have difficulty getting their heads around this.   If anyone can give an honest reply without the barrage of insults a few new members seem to think is acceptable it would be appreciated.

The distinction was the visitor at the school wasn't in their drag persona but was there as themselves. They weren't performing and weren't in their drag costume or being referred to as their drag character's name. 

It's equivalent to the difference between a visit from Steve Coogan and a visit from Alan Partridge. 

 

[hissingsid]

Thank you Declan, I assumed that Drag Queens did just that  I assumed they had jobs they do in the day and dress accordingly and then just wore their costumes when they performed.    I have not seen anyone socialising around town dressed up as a Drag Queen apart from at the Gay Pride day at the Villa last year.   I have always liked Paul O Grady and was sorry when he stopped doing his drag act he was much more entertaining when he was doing drag.   I have heard him being described as a drag artist and a Drag Queen very confusing.   

[finlo]

36 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

 I have not seen anyone socialising around town dressed up as a Drag Queen

I saw one parading down Strand street the other Saturday afternoon!

[The Phantom]

38 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

Thank you Declan, I assumed that Drag Queens did just that  I assumed they had jobs they do in the day and dress accordingly and then just wore their costumes when they performed.    I have not seen anyone socialising around town dressed up as a Drag Queen apart from at the Gay Pride day at the Villa last year.   I have always liked Paul O Grady and was sorry when he stopped doing his drag act he was much more entertaining when he was doing drag.   I have heard him being described as a drag artist and a Drag Queen very confusing.   

Surely there is no difference between a Queen and an Artist?  Just different names for the same thing.  Like a Doctor vs a GP.

Some really good drag queens do make a living out of it.  It's their day (or night) job. 

Surely anyone else (when they're out of drag) it's just a hobby or a character they adopt?

Isn't it just equivalent of me going to a school and doing a talk about say, mountain biking and being referred to as a Mountain Biker?  I may or may not turn up with my bike, wearing shorts and a helmet. 

Edited March 23, 2023 by The Phantom

[Declan]

48 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

Thank you Declan, I assumed that Drag Queens did just that  I assumed they had jobs they do in the day and dress accordingly and then just wore their costumes when they performed.    I have not seen anyone socialising around town dressed up as a Drag Queen apart from at the Gay Pride day at the Villa last year.   I have always liked Paul O Grady and was sorry when he stopped doing his drag act he was much more entertaining when he was doing drag.   I have heard him being described as a drag artist and a Drag Queen very confusing.   

It's not my thing really. But there are Drag performances in pubs in town. One local artist Fenella Beach hosted a watch-along for Ru_Paul's Drag Race at the Bridge I understand. 

[Declan]

17 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Isn't it just equivalent of me going to a school and doing a talk about say, mountain biking and being referred to as a Mountain Biker?  I may or may not turn up with my bike, wearing shorts and a helmet. 

But I don't think the talk was about being a drag queen. It was about gender identity. 

For example, a Trans-person could give a talk about gender identity whether or not they also perform in drag. 

 

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Surely there is no difference between a Queen and an Artist? 

Not really, except not all drag performers are drag queens. 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Declan

[The Phantom]

6 minutes ago, Declan said:

It's not my thing really. But there are Drag performances in pubs in town. One local artist Fenella Beach hosted a watch-along for Ru_Paul's Drag Race at the Bridge I understand. 

I'd love to think that at least a couple of petrol-heads turned up to that event and were seriously confused. 

[Passing Time]

9 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

I'd love to think that at least a couple of petrol-heads turned up to that event and were seriously confused. 

tea spitter comment 😂

[Ativa]

3 hours ago, Barlow said:

So the person who gave the lessons was a qualified teacher.

There wasn’t a lesson.  How many times does it need saying?

[AcousticallyChallenged]

57 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

I'd love to think that at least a couple of petrol-heads turned up to that event and were seriously confused. 

I was sorely disappointed once when I started watching RuPaul's drag race, having no idea what it was, but hoping for cars.

[The Phantom]

2 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

I was sorely disappointed once when I started watching RuPaul's drag race, having no idea what it was, but hoping for cars.

"I know that the characters in Fast & Furious were quite flamboyant, but this is next level"

[hissingsid]

I think it may clear things up in my head if I ask Julie next time I bump into her she will know as she stated in Tynwald that there was no Drag Queen there but the person giving the talk was a drag artist it is always wise to get the explanation from the horses mouth, so to speak.

[AcousticallyChallenged]

6 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

I think it may clear things up in my head if I ask Julie next time I bump into her she will know as she stated in Tynwald that there was no Drag Queen there but the person giving the talk was a drag artist it is always wise to get the explanation from the horses mouth, so to speak.

Maybe this will make it simpler...

On the left is a person.

On the right, is the same person, dressed as a Drag Queen.

Can you see the difference now?

[Ativa]

13 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

I think it may clear things up in my head if I ask Julie next time I bump into her she will know as she stated in Tynwald that there was no Drag Queen there but the person giving the talk was a drag artist it is always wise to get the explanation from the horses mouth, so to speak.

I am really struggling to see what the confusion is?

The insinuation from all the press and social media nonsense was that there was a person in full drag in the classroom.

It was actually a person who sometimes dresses in drag, but in their normal day to day attire.

I am struggling to think of a suitable analogy that would simplify it for people.

[Roger Mexico]

4 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

I think it may clear things up in my head if I ask Julie next time I bump into her she will know as she stated in Tynwald that there was no Drag Queen there but the person giving the talk was a drag artist it is always wise to get the explanation from the horses mouth, so to speak.

It's pretty much covered in the summary of the report that has been published.  As usual it seems to have been randomly blacked out but you can get the general impression:

So the deliverer of the talk wasn't in drag and the fact they perform was only mentioned in passing.

Subsection (5) is then blacked out, presumably because it would identify the child who was misbehaving (not that their parent seems worried about that) and it concludes:

So the whole thing was so minor that those involved had trouble remembering the details and indeed no one seemed to think it had any significance until six months later when drag queens became the latest group of people the British press decided to pretend to be all shocked about.